KB Home (KBH) Q3 2026 earnings call

Good afternoon. My name is John, and I'll be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome everyone to the KB-Home 2026 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participant lines are in the listen-only mode. Following the company's open remarks, we will open the lines for questions. This conference call is being recorded, and a replay will be accessible on the KB-Home website until October 22, 2026. And I will now turn the call over to Jill Peters, Senior Vice President and Investor Relations.

Thank you, Jill. You may now begin.

Thank you, John. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today to review our results for the Third Quarter of Fiscal 2026. On the call are Jeff Mesker, Executive Chairman, Rob McGibney, President and Chief Executive Officer, Bill Hollinger, Senior Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer, and Bad Johnson, Senior Vice President and Treasurer. During this call, items will be discussed that are considered forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Security's Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

These statements are not guarantees of future results, and the company does not undertake any obligation to update them. Due to various factors, including those detailed in today's press release and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, actual results could be materially different from those stated or implied in the forward-looking statement. In addition, an explanation and or reconciliation of the non-GAP measure of adjusted housing gross profit margin, as well as any other non-GAP measure referenced during today's discussion to its most directly comparable GAP measure can be found in today's press release and or on the Investor Relations page of our website at kbhome. com.

And finally, please note all figures are based on our quarter-ended August 31st, and all comparisons are on a year-over-year basis unless otherwise stated. And with that, here is Jeff Mesker.

Thank you, Jill. Good afternoon, everyone. The housing market remains challenging, with conditions having weakened since our last earnings call in June.

Affordability is under further pressure due to rising mortgage rates. Inflation remains persistently high, driven in part by fuel prices, which prompted the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates last week. These factors, as well as geopolitical uncertainty and broader economic add-ones, have resulted in consumers becoming more cautious about buying a home. In addition, retail inventory, which is our largest competitor, has increased to its highest levels in a decade, and we're seeing pricing starting to decline in more of our markets, adding to the tension in this environment.

Against this backdrop, our third quarter financial results reflected solid sequential improvement, meeting or exceeding our guidance. At a high level, our third quarter results included total revenues of $1.3 billion, and diluted earnings per share of $1.05.

We remain balanced in our capital allocation, investing nearly $725 million in land acquisition and development for future growth. While also returning capital to our shareholders, we repurchased about 890,000 shares of our common stock, or roughly 1.5% of our shares outstanding, at an average price below our current book value per share. We believe this is an excellent use of our cash, a creative to both our earnings and book value per share, and contributing to improving our return on equity over time.

Inclusive of dividends, we returned over $65 million in capital to our shareholders in the third quarter. The impact of our share repurchase program over the past five years has been meaningful, as we have returned more than $2.1 billion in total capital to shareholders from repurchases, plus our quarterly dividend, and reduced our share count by more than one third. During the third quarter, we expanded our book value per share to over $62.

Our results in the third quarter support our expectations for full-year deliveries, housing revenues, and margins to be within the ranges that we provided in June, despite moderation in our outlook for the fourth quarter, as we continue to navigate current market conditions. At this time, let me turn the call over to Rob for more details on the quarter's results and our outlook.

Right. Thank you, Jeff. A market like this one tests what a business model is built on. Our built-to-order model was designed to perform in exactly these conditions, and while we are not immune to the pressures in the operating environment, our approach did what it was supposed to do in the third quarter. It enabled us to sell before we build, know our costs before we commit capital to vertical construction, and keep our inventory risk low as demands often.

Our return to a predominantly built-to-order business is now firmly established. BTO homes represent nearly three quarters of our deliveries in the third quarter, which contributed to a sequential improvement in our housing gross profit margin. The sales alignment with our BTO strategy across our divisions has been strong, which positions our delivery mix in the quarters ahead to be solidly within our targeted and historical range.

During the quarter, buyers continued to demonstrate both the desire for homeownership and the ability to qualify. However, declining consumer confidence and lower affordability in most of our markets weighed on traffic in our communities, which, while still solid down year over year, we saw more caution on our respective buyers with many moving to the sidelines. As a result, while sales in June were resilient and slightly ahead of May, sales softened sequentially in July and August, resulting in a year-over-year decline in net orders.

In this environment, the value of what we offer becomes even clearer. We build the home the buyer wants with the features, finishes, and ultimately a sales price that reflect the buyer's preferences for what they value and want to pay for. Those choices are key differentiators relative to an inventory home, and also give our buyers a real tool to manage affordability, which is one reason our homes do not require heavy incentives to sell.

We have remained disciplined in providing transparent pricing, adjusting prices as needed to meet the market, community by community, while optimizing each asset for the best possible return.

The same model that serves our buyers also protects our business, and it shows in our results. Our total unsold inventory is 26% of production, down from 41% a year ago, and finished unsold homes are just 9% down from 16%. We also have roughly 1,100 homes sold, but not yet started. That illustrates our BTO approach at work, building homes for buyers who have already committed, not for buyers we hope to find.

Our direct costs on started homes in the third quarter were lower, both sequentially and year over year. That result reflects our deep supplier relationships that helped limit cost increases in fuel surcharges, active rebidding of our local and national contracts, value engineering of our products, and a simplified studio offering that drives improved efficiency. While our overall average for direct costs was lower in the third quarter, we experienced some increasing cost pressure from fuel, general inflation, and tariffs as the quarter progressed.

We believe this will result in slightly higher sequential direct costs for our fourth quarter deliveries. As to our sold but unstarted homes, with starts volume declining across the industry, this backlog gives us real leverage with our trade partners, which we are utilizing to offset as much of the cost pressures as we can. I want to take a moment on build times because they speak directly to one of the most common questions about built to order. How long a buyer has to wait?

Our BTO homes averaged 99 days from start to completion in the third quarter, a slight improvement sequentially in 23 days or 19% faster than a year ago. At just over three months, our buyers are not waiting long for a home built the way they want it, and they can more cost effectively lock in their interest rate than they could when build times were longer.

Faster build times also increase our inventory turns and make us a more efficient company. We are working toward a target of 90 days with improvement from here expected to be more gradual given how much progress we have already made. This is a real accomplishment, and I want to recognize our construction teams and trade partners who made it happen. The strength of our business also shows in the quality of our buyers.

Our mortgage joint venture, KBHS Home Loans, remains an important part of how we serve our customers and run our business, and its metrics have been consistent and favorable over the past year.

In the third quarter, our capture rate increased to 85% up slightly from the second quarter. Higher capture rates help us manage our backlog more effectively and provide more certainty in closing dates, and we consistently see higher customer satisfaction among buyers who use our joint venture.

The average cash down payment was steady at 16% or about $76,000. On average, KBHS customers had household income of about $134,000 and a FICO score of $742.

Even with half of our customers purchasing their first home, we continued to attract buyers with strong credit profiles who can qualify for their mortgage and make a significant down payment or pay cash.

About 8% of our third quarter deliveries went to all cash buyers. As Jeff mentioned, we are maintaining our fiscal 2026 guidance for deliveries, housing revenue, and margins within the ranges we last provided. However, we are moderating our expectations for the fourth quarter with respect to ASP and gross margin. With over 80% of our fourth quarter deliveries already in backlog, we have solid visibility into the quarter.

Starting with average sales price, the midpoint of our current guidance implies a fourth quarter ASP of approximately $480,000 compared to the roughly $500,000 implied by our prior guidance. On our last call, we said the West Coast and Northern California specifically would be a meaningful contributor to our fourth quarter ASP and gross margin. Northern California has held and continues to perform as expected, and its projected fourth quarter ASP has increased modestly since June.

The change in our outlook is principally driven by Southern California for two primary reasons. First, slower sales in the third quarter relative to our expectations have reduced the number of higher priced Southern California homes we expect to close in the fourth quarter, weighing on our overall ASP.

Second, the mix of Southern California communities delivering in the quarter has shifted from what we anticipated in June. Together, these factors account for roughly the $20,000 reduction in our projected fourth quarter ASP.

As to our fourth quarter gross margin, we now expect it to be about one percentage point lower than our prior guidance implied as a result of market pressures and higher direct and land costs. Bill will walk through the details of that updated outlook layer.

We expect an ending community count in the fourth quarter of between 270 and 275 communities roughly in line with the prior year. This projection includes approximately 115 new communities that we will have opened in fiscal 2026 by year end and a similar number of communities that will have sold out, represented a solid rotation of our assets.

Our new community openings are an important part of sustaining a predominantly built order delivery mix. As we have shared in the past, prior to opening a community, we develop a list of interested potential buyers and the anticipation and excitement that build in the months leading up to a grand opening, translate into strong initial demand. As a result, our new community is generally open at a higher absorption pace, generating a strong volume of starts aligned with sales from the outset.

Last year, we added two large land positions in the Las Vegas Valley, one of the most land constrained markets in the country. The first, Meredith sits in a highly desirable part of Henderson and is positioned to carry forward the success of our Inspirato Master Plan, also in Henderson, which is nearing closeout. Meredith is now open across all five of its product lines. Sales have been solid and we expect first deliveries late in our fourth quarter.

The second, Sandstone is an attractive location in North Las Vegas with price points that are affordable relative to much of the Las Vegas Metro. Sandstone opens in the fourth quarter with four distinct product lines and early demand is strong. We have built an interest list of more than 300 potential buyers, which should support a healthy absorption pace from day one.

Both communities complement our broad presence across the Las Vegas Valley, including our established positions in the southwest and summer.

With one of our best teams in the company leading the way, we are confident Meredith and Sandstone will produce strong results for many years to come.

While we work to finish fiscal 2026, the foundation for fiscal 2027 is also taking shape. We expect to begin the year with the higher backlog than we began fiscal 2026 and our faster build times to drive stronger results.

Homes that took us over four months to build a year ago now take just over three, which means we can convert the same backlog into deliveries more quickly and sell further into the year for same year delivery. That backlog is the heart of our built order model, giving us visibility as we plan for the year. We will continue to match starts to our sales base, keep our unsold inventory low and manage each community individually for the best return.

We have the business model, a favorable lot positioned over 61,000 owned or controlled lots providing a solid pipeline to support future growth targets. The balance sheet to grow when this market allows it in the discipline not to chase volume while it doesn't. And with that, I will turn the call back over to Jeff for his closing remarks.

Thanks, Rob. I want to thank our entire KB home team for their ongoing commitment to serving our home buyers and the discipline with which they have been executing our business model. Our strategic positioning remains a real strength. We have a broad geographic footprint and a balance sheet that supports growth.

This provides the foundation for our long tenure team with experience throughout varying housing market cycles to continue to navigate current conditions. And we remain poised for the opportunity we believe is ahead once conditions correct. Our full year guidance remains largely intact, which we view as a positive in this market environment. We are rewarding our shareholders with a steady return of capital and we plan to continue our share repurchase program with up to $50 million of repurchases planned for our fourth quarter.

We are committed to delivering long term shareholder value and we look forward to updating you at the end of the year. And now I'll turn the call over to Bill Hollinger for the financial review bill.

Thank you, Jeff. Let me start by briefly addressing our outlook. As Jeff and Rob mentioned, market conditions have weakened since our last earnings call and remain challenging. With greater pressure on both demand and pricing, then we had anticipated as a result, we have adjusted our fourth quarter expectations to reflect the current environment. While our outlook for the quarter has moderated our expectations for the full year remain largely changed and I will provide the additional details throughout my remarks.

As to the third quarter, despite the difficult operating environment, we delivered solid results that while below the year earlier period, our housing revenues for the quarter, which were at the midpoint of our guidance range, declined 20% from 1.6 billion for the prior period, primarily reflecting a 19% decrease in the number of homes delivered in slightly lower overall average selling price. And that compared to 71% a year ago, the lower conversion rate reflected our focus on increasing the mix of bill to order homes delivered during the quarter. We achieved our goal of returning to a predominantly built to order business with these homes comprising a higher than expected 74% of homes delivered up from the 60 60% in the second quarter.

As a result, we also generated our first year over year increase in our backlog in four years, providing a foundation for future deliveries.

Turning to our outlook for deliveries and revenues, we expect fourth quarter homes delivered to range from 3,000 to 3,500 and housing revenues to range from 1.45 to 1.65 billion dollars. For the full year, we expect homes delivered 10,500 to 11,000 consistent with the outlook we provided on our last call. We have narrowed our range of housing revenues to 4.9 to 5.1 billion dollars, reflecting our current expectations for the average selling price. This was $473,000 compared to approximately $476,000 for the prior quarter and modestly higher than the second quarter. Based on the current market conditions, the midpoint of our fourth quarter guidance implies a sequential increase in average selling price to about $480,000 as Rob mentioned.

Home building operating income for the third quarter was 67 million or 5.2% of revenues compared to $131,000 or 8.1% of revenues for the year earlier quarter. A year over year decrease primarily reflected a lower housing gross profit margin and higher selling general and administrative expenses as a percentage of revenues. Our third quarter housing gross profit margin was 16.5% compared to 18.2% for the year earlier quarter, but was up sequentially from the second quarter, excluding inventory related charges of $3 million and $11 million.

Respectfully, our adjusted housing gross profit margin was 16.8% compared to 18.9% a year ago, primarily reflecting pricing pressures, higher relative land costs and reduced operating leverage. Our current quarter adjusted housing gross profit margin improved sequentially from 15.7% in the second quarter. This sequential improvement reflected a stronger than expected mix of built to order homes delivered, which also contributed to our margin coming in slightly above the high end of our guidance range.

When we provided margin guidance on our last call, our outlook for the fourth quarter was more favorable than it is today. At that time, we expected a sequential improvement supported by positive operating leverage, stronger contribution from our expanding BTO mix and additional upside from a favorable shift toward higher price higher margin West Coast deliveries. Since then, market conditions have evolved differently than we thought.

We now anticipate housing gross margin to be down on a sequential basis in the fourth quarter. With the higher than expected BTO mix of homes delivered in the third quarter, we achieved our goal of returning to a predominantly built to order business earlier than we thought. As a result, we now expect less incremental margin benefit from the BTO mix in the fourth quarter. In addition, we now anticipate a smaller contribution from our higher margin West Coast communities than previously projected.

While our Northern California business continues to perform as expected, our margins in Southern California have been impacted by a more competitive environment. And we have made pricing adjustments in response to market conditions and higher mortgage rates. More broadly, softer market conditions and greater affordability pressures have contributed to increased pricing pressures across many of our markets. And together with slightly higher costs, as stated earlier, we are creating and they are creating an additional headwind to margins.

While these factors have affected our fourth quarter outlook, they are less impactful to our full year projections. Accordingly, we have slightly lowered our full year gross margin guidance compared to the outlook we provided on our last call. We now expect our housing gross profit to be in the range of 16 to 16.6% for the fourth quarter and 16 to 16.2%. For the full year, both assuming no inventory charges are selling general and administrative expense ratio for the third quarter was 11.3%, which was at the low end of our guidance range. Our S&A ratio increased from the 10% for the year earlier period, mainly due to lower operating leverage, partly offset by lower costs associated with certain performance based employee compensation plans and a 6% year over year reduction in personnel.

For the fourth quarter, we are forecasting an S&A ratio to be in the range of 10.3% to 10.9%. For the full year, we maintain the midpoint of our prior guidance range while narrowing the range and now expect our S&A ratio to be in the range of 11.5% to 11.7%.

Included in both our fourth quarter and full year guidance is an estimate of an accelerated equity based compensation charge associated with certain annual equity award grants expected to be granted in the quarter. In the 2025 fourth quarter, this charge was $16 million. We generated total pre-tax income of $81 million for the third quarter compared to $143 million for the year earlier quarter. Our income tax expense was roughly $16 million representing an effective tax rate of 19.6% compared to 23.3% for the prior period.

The tax rate was within our guidance range and reflected benefits associated with stock based compensation as all remaining outstanding options were exercised during the quarter. Looking ahead, we expect our effective tax rate to return to a more normalized level of approximately 26% for the fourth quarter. For the full year, we anticipate an effective tax rate of approximately 23%, which is in the midpoint of our previous guidance.

As I previously mentioned, we generated an income of $65 million and diluted earnings per share of $1.05. This compares to net income of $110 million and diluted earnings per share of $1.61 for the same quarter last year. Our diluted share average share count for the current quarter was down 9% year over year reflecting the impact of our share repurchase activity.

Turning to our balance sheet, we maintained a disciplined and balanced approach to capital deployment during the quarter, continuing to invest in the business while returning capital to shareholders with our investment in land and land development. Since the beginning of the year, our inventory has grown to $6 billion up 5%. And we ended the quarter with over 61,000 lots owned and under contract while returning capital to our shareholders through share repurchases and dividends as mentioned.

We ended the quarter with cash of $159 million. Total liquidity was $942 million, including $783 million available under our unsecured credit facility with $415 million drawn. As a result, our debt to capital ratio was 35.7% at the end of the quarter compared to 33.2% a year ago. Despite this modest increase, we believe we have a healthy financial position supported by substantial liquidity and a well-attered debt maturity profile.

We believe the investments we have made in our land pipeline and community portfolio positions us well for the future while providing the capacity to adapt to evolving market conditions. We will continue to evaluate land investments, share repurchases, and financing activities through the lens of liquidity, cash flow generation, market conditions, and long term strategic objectives. Where our outlook reflects a softer demand environment primarily from continuing affordability pressures, our higher backlog provides visibility into our expected fourth quarter performance. With our success in reestablishing a predominantly built to order business, our focus on operational execution and the strength of our balance sheet, we believe we are well positioned to manage through the present environment. As we look ahead, we remain focused on executing our strategy, capitalizing on growth opportunities, maintaining disciplined capital allocation, and driving long term value for our shareholders while returning, remaining responsive to evolving market conditions.

We will now take your questions.

John, please open up the line. We will now conduct a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tome will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you'd like to remove a question from the queue. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Thank you.

One moment please when we pull for questions. And the first question comes from the line of Matthew Boulet with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, a lot embedded in that question. I just start with as we look at our Q4 projections across the board and our guidance. That's all based on how we see it playing out based on current market conditions. As far as the mix goes, the Northern California piece that we described on our call last quarter came through basically in line how we expect it. We talked about Southern California being down in one of the drivers of the ASP coming down. That is not something that we expect to continue. We were not pleased with the results that we've got. We're taking steps there to get those sales back and bring those deliveries back online as we look ahead.

So we expect that mixed to rotate back in. As we look at Southern California specifically, one of the things that we didn't mention in the prepared remarks was just some missed community openings that are relatively high ASP communities. So those will open and those will come through. As we look out, we're not given guidance on 27. Obviously, market conditions are pretty volatile and choppy right now.

We're pleased with our shift back to built order. We know that that's going to continue. We're going to continue aligning starts with sales and we'll update you on our outlook for 27 as we get closer to it.

Really with the pressure that we're referencing is mostly on the material side. You've got fuel prices that have gone up that's embedded in a lot of the products, but it's also a direct cost that our our trade partners are living with an experience in every day. So we expect to see that creep in to some of our costs on directs and land development as well as we move throughout. And we've also set those up as direct fuel surcharges. So when an fuel prices pull back, we can immediately extract those out as to labor. I would say what we're seeing across most markets is that starts are down. We really haven't had a lot of issues getting labor to our job sites.

We are hearing stories just anecdotally about some of the labor challenges that are out there, but direct experience. That's not been a big part of what we're seeing on the call.

Thank you.

The next question comes from the line of Stephen Kim with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, certainly. I mean, that is still our target. You know, market conditions have been not exactly conducive to listing margins lately. But as we're underwriting deals, we're sticking to our discipline there. Frankly, it's one of the reasons that we've walked from many of the deals that we've had under contract because they just land deals. That is because they just no longer met our return. So as we look out into the future, that is still in play and still a target for us.

Thank you. And the next question comes from the line of John LaValle with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, John, part of it is just the speed at which we're building now. Before we would have more visibility, if we started in taking a six months to build, you can see that coming right now. As fast as we're building as that those come and you get more pressure throughout the quarter, like we've seen here, even though our average for home started was was down on a sequential end year over your basis. It did increase throughout. So homes that were starting later in the third quarter that we'll deliver in Q four. They're going to have that extra embedded cost pressure and projecting that are thinking that that's coming.

Yeah, John, I think if you get a little jolt of consumer confidence, you'll see a lift in housing demand. The people are out there. Our traffic is down, but it is down order magnitude about 10%. So there's a lot of people are still looking for homes. They're just cautious. There's a lot of things going on right now that they're trying to digest.

But if they feel better about where things are headed, I think you'll see a demand come right back. So we're, you have to deal with today and you keep an eye on it. And even since the end of our quarter in August rates have ticked up 20 30 bits and every time you get a little movement like that, it takes time for the consumer to digest it.

They don't want to feel like they overpaid for a house because they bought at the peak of the rates and our rates coming back down that 20 or 30%. So they wait to see if rates are coming back down and they just digest the rate move. So rates ticked up a little bit. That puts them unpause again. And you got to wait for it all to get digested. But the demographics are there and the people are out there and they're still demand is just getting everybody comfortable with it all and you move.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Susan McCleary with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

So when I think about the value engineering process and getting more efficient building envelope that we're working with or getting more efficient with our studio offerings, it's never. It's never an event that we say that we're done with at some point. It's an ongoing process and I feel like we've made a lot of great progress as a company over the last few years, especially starting with when the supply chain crunch hit and some of that was just. We had to get more efficient quickly and reduce our skews in order to be able to get material and build houses on a reasonable timeline.

One of the big things that we're focused on today is standardization. So when we're looking at our floor plans, there are opportunities still out there today to simple offsets or overhangs. If you're thinking about the outside of the building and pulling those back, as long as we can get those types of things approved through the municipality, the consumers still accept that the house still looks good. There's really no value taken away from the customer, but it does result in meaningfully lower.

And as I said, it's always an ongoing focus. I think we've been through a lot of the low hanging fruit that was out there if there was any. And now we're focused on things more related to the actual building themselves and how do you squeeze out another few cents or dollars per square foot in the actual homes that ongoing process with our architecture team as we seek more.

Yeah. It's a discipline that we've had in the company for a long time, something that we're consistently training on. But the main thing is that we start early. You know, we've got a good one way of time leading up to a community opening and it's very local and we'll start within that market. And, you know, it might be signage in the beginning and then we're reaching out through a digital interest list of people that either call in or they'll scan a QR code on that sign and it just starts building slow. But, you know, if you imagine a new community that's coming to a parcel and we put our sign up and you start to get a little interest and you capture those people and you take them through the process and it tends to grow.

You know, one of the next steps would be grassroots marketing that our teams are doing with local businesses and realtors there and you get a little more interest from that. And then when you get your land development going, people see that that project's starting to become real and it grows a little from that. And then once you go vertical with the model construction, even more comes. And then you ultimately get to the point where you've got an open model, you try to bring all of that pent up demand or interest that we've got in and then you start the qualification process to see how many people on that interest list are real buyers that can qualify.

And the goal for us is once we open that community for sale, we're getting about two months of our expected run rate of sales and the first week to 10 days from when we grand open that community and then keep it running on whatever our projected sales pace for that community on an ongoing basis. So it's really, you start small, you start grassroots, it builds up as you go, but by the time that you get to that grand opening event, you've got this pool of ready, able and willing qualified buyers ready to go.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alan Ratner with Zelman and Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, Alan, it happens. The first thing that we do is try to lock the buyers early on in the process as we can. And I mentioned in the early, my earlier prepared remarks, you know, that's a little more challenging to do when your build times are longer. But when we're roughly 90 days now, more visibility and it's easier is less expensive to lock that loan up front. So that's the first approach that we take is try to get everybody locked as early as possible. Sometimes buyers aren't on board for that. They want to play the play the market and hope that rates come down. And we have seen in backlog some situations where we've had to make some minor adjustments, either just to keep them in the deal or to get them qualified.

But it's minimal overall, especially when we can get them locked early and upfront.

Well, I don't, as we've demonstrated over the years, it's a discipline balance. And you know, the inputs, how much are we going to spend on land? What's our app type to grow? What's the time in development? What's the timing on, on the whip and cash coming in? And what's our revenue and profit, you know, everything that we factor into it. And if you look at our, our business has rotated over the last three years. Our inventory has actually grown a few hundred million while our build times have come down significantly. So we took the cash from the build times coming down and we put some of it to repurchases. And we put a lot of it to act in development.

And our act in development has been going up the last few years. As we look ahead, we'll continue to bounce all those. And I think in the, in the current environment where the landmark, it's been a little chunky where we have a couple of big deals we've done and we'll phase out the dev and get that back and bounce.

You'll probably see our land spend come down a little. And depending on how the whip is, that will influence how much our repurchases will be. And it will all stay programmatic and opportunistic at the same time, depending on the dynamics at that point in time. But our balance sheet remains solid and we'll stay focused on growing the company.

Thank you. And the next question comes from the line of Rafe Jadrasich with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Well, we're not given guidance. I mean, it's a roundabout way of asking for community count guidance and I appreciate the effort, but it's really still early. We're focused on finishing 2026 strong. We'll come back to you on 2027. But overall, with 61,000 lots owned and controlled, we feel like we've got plenty of runway to provide growth if the market conditions allow it. And that's where we are today.

Okay, let me jump in there. The bridge, let's say from the Q3 to Q4, as we said, it's going to be down and where we ended up with Q3 at 16, 8, we're now anticipating 16, 3. It's primarily, I would say, based on that we're going to do, as we expected last time, there'll be some improvement that is going to be positive from leverage in the fourth quarter, compared to the third quarter.

But these are going to be more than offset that leverage. So if we're up a leverage about, let's say, 50 basis points, we think we're going to then lose basically a point. And that point is going to come from, you know, pricing pressures, higher costs, as well as product and geographic myths, as we said, specifically like in our Southern California area. So I think that, you know, there's an up and down and some noise in there, but, you know, net net, it's just a half a point.

Thank you. And the next question comes from the line of Buck Horn with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.

I go back to something I said earlier, get everybody grounded in it. The fees is one of the bigger. It's a big cost. It's embedded between, you know, you got the three things. You got the fees, the land development, and we've seen pretty significant fee increases over last year, even longer than that. And in many of our markets. So on the, I'll go year over year on the lock costs. You know, if we just look at the arithmetic alone, it would appear to be up pretty meaningfully on a year over year basis. But especially with our business and the waiting of California, a lot of that is mixed. It's not really just pure land inflation.

When I look at how that gets made up, a big portion of the year over year decline in revenues is really concentrated in some of our lower lock cost markets, like our Texas divisions were a lot costs much lower generally than certainly California or the West, but most parts of the country. But if I look at that and you hold last year's delivery mix constant to remove that component, the increase on a year over year basis that we're looking at is really in the low single, not a massive move in the beginning. A lot of that's driven by.

It's really, I've said this, it's probably not a satisfying answer, but it's really sub market by sub market within all of these different regions. You know, you hear a lot about Texas and the resale markets there. I think in Texas, the resale markets have generally been more of a pay story than a price story, but we are starting to see, I would say, the sellers capitulate a little bit. Become more in balance and work through the resale that's out there. I think in a lot of cases for a couple of years, there have been a lot of listings on the market, depending on, you know, what part of the country you're in, but they're, they're listed at really high prices.

Probably not realistic. I would call them the make me move type of price. And I think we're starting to see maybe the sellers, the resale homeowners get a little overall. I would agree, you know, resale levels have generally come up. It's becoming more of a formidable competitor than it's been a market story.

You know, Florida is another one where you've got resale inventory. It's still elevated in a lot of markets, even though it's improved in places like Jacksonville.

You really have to look at the details and within a reasonable radius of each community that we have and what that reason we certainly have to stay.

Thank you. And the next question comes from the line of Trevor Allinson with Wolf Research. Please proceed with your question.

I would say it's just really getting back to what we once were in Northern California. For a long time, it was one of our biggest revenue drivers and biggest profit drivers. And we talked about it on our last call, how we kind of lost summers and we've been building it back. I think we've still got a few more quarters in front of us of ramping up because we're still bringing communities online at good margins and high ASPs.

You know, at some point a few quarters out, I think we'll find a new equilibrium where the newness effect of that has kind of been assimilated into the business, but always looking at that.

You know, we establish it's really, again, community by community. So we establish a minimum run rate that we need to hit for each community and that changes over time depending on what season we're in or the number of lots that we have remaining or the ease of replacing those lots. And it also does include community level margins and a long list of other factors. But, you know, over time, we want to target around 4 sales per month per community when you analyze it out. And we were trending below that this year and we have certainly have designs on getting back to that with market conditions as choppy as they are. And we're not looking to force that and at the great expensive margin.

So I don't have a overall company-wide target that I would say that other than overtime, we want to hit that 4 per month per community. But in the meantime, with choppy market conditions, we're going to manage it asset by asset community by community and just gear them towards getting the best return profile for each individual community.

Thank you. And our final question comes from the line of Sam Reed with Wells Fargo. You may proceed with your question.

Yeah, I would expect that we will. I'd say we're three quarters to a year out before we get to kind of what I would say is our equilibrium there. So as we ramp up and we get more sales and deliveries out of that region, I think we will continue to see some mixed benefits. Coming from that.

So if I'm understanding the question, right? Are you asking? I think the spread between what we've got on our built to order sales versus our inventory sales, which has stayed pretty consistent over the last couple of years and it's right around 4%. I mean, there's a range usually between three and five, but when we distill that down, we typically see about four points better margin on built to order sales than we do on inventory, whether we're closing that, selling that and closing it within the quarter or you sell it even earlier than that.

Yes, right. Yeah, that combination, those two put together as we've laid out are all factored.

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