Amber International Holding (AMBR) Q2 2026 earnings call transcript

Transcript, summary, guidance, and what analysts pressed on from the Amber International Holding Ltd. call on September 3, 2026.

Held
September 3, 2026
Length
45 min
Tone
Confident0.78
Words
5,754
Agentic revenue Q2
$7.4 millionIncludes AMM
AMM revenue Q2
$3.5 millionFirst quarter recognized
Agentic gross margin
79.5%Quarterly company margin
Mia enterprise customers
More than 100Across iClick and CMRS
Repurchase remaining
Roughly $44.2 millionThrough June 30
Investor day timing
Before year endExpected

Summary

Management framed the quarter as early financial validation of an explicit pivot from digital wealth management to specialized AI agents.

  • $7.4M$7.4 million of revenue was classified as agentic, including AMM’s first $3.5 million recognition.
  • Legacy-business ownership and structure reviews are underway, with no outcomes announced.
  • Agentic revenue currently reflects infrastructure monetization, not agents being paid directly for outcomes.
  • Investor day is now expected before year end to detail the transition’s revenue mix and financial framework.

What analysts pressed on

  • 01Proprietary technology: differentiation rests on purpose-specific workflows, proprietary harnesses, and years of servicing real customers.
  • 02Competitive threat: management said large model companies lack focus, while smaller rivals lack domain expertise and battle-tested infrastructure.
  • 03Market opportunity: Mia and Embry should initially take share, then expand access to previously unaffordable services.
  • 04Agent monetization: AMM remains at the infrastructure stage, with specialized agents expected to become the customer interface over time.
  • 05Autonomy and controls: Embry does not place orders autonomously yet, with authority expanding only after reliability is demonstrated.

Notable disclosures

  • $3.5M$3.5 million of AMM revenue was recognized in its first quarter, but management called it an early proof point rather than a destination.
  • $7.4M$7.4 million of revenue was classified as agentic based on AI-agent infrastructure, not simply relabeled legacy revenue.
  • More than 100 enterprise customers use Mia within iClick and CMRS before its direct product launch.
  • Embry launched across existing brokerage and exchange accounts without requiring asset transfers.
  • Management introduced “purpose” as the third proprietary layer alongside the model and harness.

Risks raised

  • Agent capabilities remain early, with product evolution dependent on validating user behavior.
  • Embry does not yet place orders autonomously, limiting current automation and requiring expert-team handoffs.
  • Legacy businesses may require ownership or structural changes as management reallocates capabilities toward agents.
  • Agentic revenue currently monetizes infrastructure rather than direct outcome delivery, delaying the intended business model.
  • Model commoditization could pressure differentiation, although management said cheaper models would lower costs.

Tone: Confident 0.78

Management was highly confident in the AI pivot and early traction, tempered by limited direct agent monetization and unresolved legacy-business restructuring.

Who spoke

Company

  • MiaInvestor Relations
  • Michael WuChief Executive Officer
  • YibaoChief Operating Officer
  • Vicky WongPresident
  • Josephine NguyenChief Financial Officer

Full transcript

Analyst questions are marked with a bar. Timestamps are into the recording.

Prepared remarks

00:00

Good morning, and welcome to Amber International second quarter 2026 financial results. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. At that time, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to introduce your host, AMBR's AI Ambassador, Mia. You may begin.

00:36

MiaInvestor Relations

Good morning, and welcome to Amber International Holding Ltd. 's second quarter 2026 earnings conference call. I am Mia, Amber's official AI agent moderator for today's call. Before we begin, please note that today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. For a more detailed discussion of these risks, please refer to the company's filings with the U. S. Securities and Exchange Commission, including our most recent annual report on Form 20F.

Joining us on today's call are Michael Wu, Chairman of the Board and CEO, Vicky Wong, President, Yibao, Chief Operating Officer, Josephine Nguyen, Chief Financial Officer, and Steve Jiang, Co-Chief Financial Officer. Following their remarks, we will open the line for Q&A.

With that, let me now turn the call over to Michael Wu, our Chairman of the Board and CEO.

01:46

Michael WuChief Executive Officer

Thank you all for joining us. The second quarter was a strong one for AMBR, and I will start with the numbers. Revenue was $13.9 million, up 39% from the first quarter. Gross margins expanded to 79.5%. Operating income was $1 million and adjusted EBITDA was $1.9 million, both turning positive from losses last quarter. And revenue from our agentic and digital asset businesses from Amber Premium came in at $10.1 million, above the $9 to $10 million outlook we gave you last quarter. And on our $50 million repurchase program, we bought back approximately $2.6 million ADS for about $5.8 million through June 30, with roughly $44.2 million remaining. Those are the results. Today, though, I want to explain why they matter, because they are the first evidence that our new strategy is already taking hold.

Two days ago in Hong Kong, we introduced AMBR for what it is today, a company that builds specialized AI agents. This is a pivot, and I'd rather say that plainly than dress it up as continuity. We built AMBR as a digital wealth management business. Now we are becoming a technology company. We are making that choice deliberately and from a position of strength backed by the numbers I just shared because we believe this is where the greater opportunity lies. For me, this is also a return to my original passion and my true ambition. We started in 2017 as Amber AI and spent the first nine years in markets, learning exactly where capable models stopped being useful to people making consequential decisions.

In June, I stepped down as CEO of Amber Group to run AMBR full-time. Building these AI agents is the only thing I plan to work on for the next decade. I say that publicly on Monday, and I will repeat that today to this audience, because you are the ones who can hold me on to it. And the strategy already has two products in market. Embry is our consumer agent for personal finance. It does what Embry Premium's relationship managers have done for high net worth clients. Portfolio analysis across accounts and asset classes. A daily signal feed filtered to what a user actually holds and actually what matters. And Embry makes that available far more broadly. And the two design choices matter for this audience.

First, Embry works across users' existing exchange and brokerage accounts. We are not asking anyone to move assets to users. Second, Embry does not place orders autonomously. Not yet. When a user decides to act, They are handed to our expert team. These were people who were relations managers, structures, and traders in our financial services business. We will expand the agent's authority as reliability is demonstrated, not ahead of them. Amber opened Monday by invitation, beginning with Amber Premium's verified client base. Mia, your host today, is also our marketing agent, and it is the proof that this model produces real revenue. Mia was built inside iClick and CMRS, our wholly owned marketing businesses, where it runs a substantial share of day-to-day campaign operations for a base of more than 100 enterprise customers.

As of Monday, MIA is also available directly. So does the product, not just embedded in our services anymore. That's a pattern you should expect from us. Operate a business, convert its expertise into an AI agent, and then take that AI agent to market.

Now let's move to the P&L logic because the repositioning is only credible if the numbers eventually say the same thing as a strategy. Over the $13.9 million I mentioned, $7.4 million came from businesses we classified as agentic, including $3.5 million from AMM in its first This is the first quarter of recognition. That classification reflects how these businesses genuinely run. Operations executed on AI agent infrastructure, not a relabeling of old revenue. E will take you through the basics and the details. The reason it matters, adjeting a structurally The next question is, is the most likely higher gross margin than the businesses it's replacing. And that makes shift is most of why gross margin reached 79.5% this quarter.

On the rest of the portfolio, as we focus the company on building AI agents, we're reviewing the shape and ownership of parts of our Lexi financial services business. Some of what we operate today fits the strategy as infrastructure. Some might serve clients and shareholders better in a different structure. We have nothing to announce and we won't speculate on outcomes, but I'd rather tell you the review exists than have you learn of any outcome I also want to emphasize that Embry and Mia are the first two AI agents, not the whole portfolio. At our inaugural investor day, which we now expect to hold before year end, we will show you what else we have been building and lay out the financial framework for the transition.

What the revenue mix looks like as agentic businesses become the center of A and B R. Until then, our job is simple. Execute on what we just launched. Build AI agents. Ba.

With that, I will hand over to Yibao.

08:53

YibaoChief Operating Officer

Thank you Michael. The message from my side is simple. The agent strategy is already operating, not just announced. AMM went from operating system to $3.5 million of recognized revenue in a single quarter. MIA runs a substantial share of day-to-day campaign operations for more than 100 enterprise customers, and Android is built on workflows our team have run for years. We build agents on infrastructure we have already proven, which is why we can move quickly without taking on the risk of building from scratch. What I would like to do this morning is make the pivot concrete from the operating point Michael describes the pattern we follow, which is that we operate a business, we convert its expertise into an agent, and then we take that agent to market.

Almost all of the real work happens in that middle step, and it's where I think are the advantages seats. So that's where I will spend my time. Let me pick up where I left off last quarter. I described A3 and AN as Asian Native operating systems. A few of you asked afterwards why we were leading with infrastructure rather than with agents themselves. The short answer is that intelligence on its own does not make an agent useful. An agent needs access to the right data, tools it can operate, work flow it can follow, permissions that spell out what is allowed to touch, and controls around execution, monitoring, risk, and compliance. More than any of that, it needs a precise purpose, by which I mean a defined user and the real situation where the outcome matters to somebody.

The model supplies intelligence the operating environment lets that intelligence act and the purpose determines what the action is worth That also why we are not competing as the foundation model layer and don plan to We stay model neutral and use whatever intelligence works best for a given job Whether it comes from a proprietary model or an open source one, it's worth thinking about what that means for how you reach the model race. Because when the model gets more capable and cheaper, it works in our favor rather than against us. Our calls come down and our agents get better without us spending a dollar on training. What we intend to own is the layer sitting above the model, which is where you find deep understanding of a particular vertical, the connections into the right tools and the data, the design of the workflow and its controls, and the fairly unglamorous work of making general Amber is the clearest example of how that plays out.

Marketing has always grown on a fragmented set of workflows with clients' requirements sitting in one system, venues, and counterparties in another. And then auto-queues, contracts, execution, monitoring, settlement, and reporting Each carry their own tools and their own manual steps. Our first move was to put an AI interface in front of all that, because that interface on top of a broken process just gives you a faster route to the same bottleneck. We standardized the underlying workflow first, then connected the systems, structured the data, put monitoring and controls around it, and make the process Mission operable one step at a time. That's the layer we described to you last quarter as the AM operating system. In the second quarter, AM contributed roughly 3.5 million US dollar of revenue in its first quarter of recognition.

And I want to be careful about how I characterize it. What it tells you is that the infrastructure The work that is underneath our agent strategy can already generate economic value. That is a meaningful distinction because most companies in this field are still asking investors to fund an operating layer that does not exist yet. Our disputes are already running and fits our definition of agentic revenue. The work runs on agent infrastructure rather than through the manual process it replaced. The part I want to be careful about is what comes next. That revenue today still mostly reflects monetization of the operating platform and the capabilities running on top of it, rather than the agents getting paid directly for delivering the outcome.

Our expectation that the specialized agents gradually become the primary interface to To that capability, the outcome itself becomes what the customer pays for. Think of the progressing as three stages, starting with the manual workflow, then agents' operable infrastructure, and eventually a specialized vertical agent that simply delivers the result. AMM is in the middle stage today. We will tell you when it moves, and we will show you what we measured The rest of the portfolio is being built the same way. MIA came out of a working marketing operation where it learned from REL companies and REL enterprise customers long before we sold it to anyone. Amber is being built on years of operating experience at Amber Premium.

Join on portfolio analysis, risk monitoring, product evaluation, and the accumulated judgment of relationship managers, traders, structural and product teams. In both cases, we started inside an environment we already understood well, converted that operating knowledge into structured workflows and systems, and then let the agent take home more of the work as it earns the right. That's also how I would ask you to think about our legacy business Inside the new AMBR, the customer relationships, the domain expertise, the regulatory infrastructure, the execution connectivity, the operating data and the risk and the compliance experience all stay valuable. Most of it will be hard for the newer agents to assemble from scratch. What does it have to stay the same is the way we have traditionally delivered those capabilities.

A business that grows by adding relationship managers, operations staff, and the manuals that grows in the fairly street line with headcount, and that's a different economic shape from the company we intend to build over the next decade. You can already see the difference showing up in this quarter's course margin. As Michael mentioned, we are reviewing well each legacy business and the structure fit. Some of those capabilities will end up as infrastructure Our agent depends on, and some delivery model will become that central over time. The pivot is changing how we run A and B and R internally as well. Because we want to be the first serious use of everything we build, there is a practical reason for that, which is that running our own agents in our own workflow is the cheapest way to find out well they fail before a customer does.

It shows us where they come out short, where human judgment is needed, what context or tooling they are missing, and how the workflow itself should be redesigned. We understand the workflow, we build the agent, we ruin ourselves, we fix what breaks, and then we take it outside. DATU is our operating model, and it travels from one vertical to the next. So when you look at the $3.5 million from AMM, I would ask you to read it as an early proof point rather than a destination. The operating system is a foundation. The specialized agent is the products we are building towards, and the outcomes what the customer should eventually be paying for. We are early in this transition, but we are starting from zero.

We are starting with business that operates users who use them, workflows that function, and revenue that's already being recognized. The work in front of us now is turning those advantages into specialized agents and scaling the ones that prove they can deliver.

With that, I will turn it over to Vicky.

18:05

Vicky WongPresident

Thank you, Lee. Earlier this week, on September 1st, we officially unveiled Amber and introduced the next chapter of our company, focused on building specialized AI agents for high-value, high-stakes use cases. We have been very encouraged by the initial response. Since the launch of Amber, we have seen strong interest from existing clients, prospective users, partners, and the broader market. While we are still at a very early stage, that response has reinforced our conviction that users are looking for something beyond another general purpose AI interface. They are both intelligent to understand their content, know what matters to them, and can continuously help them to take action. And this is where we believe Amber has a differentiated foundation.

The Amber brand is new, but the capabilities behind it have been built over many years. We bring deep domain expertise, trusted financial infrastructure, experience serving sophisticated users, and a detailed understanding of real-world high-stakes workflows. We believe these capabilities become increasingly valuable in an agent AI world. Foundation models are becoming extremely powerful, but in our view, the most valuable specialist agents will require a deeper know-how of the underlying industry. And this is where our domain expertise comes particularly valuable. Enbre, our flagship personal finance agent, is one of the first examples of how Amber is Combining frontier AI capabilities with deep financial expertise to build specialist agents. Over the years, we have built deep capabilities across digital wealth management, risk management, and financial infrastructure.

Embry brings these capabilities together in a much more scalable and intelligent form. Rather than simply providing users with more information, Embry is designed to understand Their financial context, identify what matters most to them, and help turn their intention into action. For example, Amber can build a holistic view of a user's portfolio across different accounts and asset classes, identify concentration and correlation risks, surface the signals that are most relevant to their actual holdings, and continuously monitor specific conditions We launched the first version of Amber on September 1st as well, and early response from our existing clients, partners, and broader community has been very encouraging. This is still an early version, and we expect the product to evolve significantly as we validate user behavior and progressively unlock more agent capabilities.

Our long-term ambition is that Amber to make a level of personalized, always-on, professional financial intelligence that historically was only available through high-touch private banking relationships, accessible to a much broader group of users. On the other hand, MIA solves the same shape of problems in a completely different market. Marketing teams run research in one tool, insight in another, content in a third, and distribution in a fourth. And nobody owns the seams between them.

Mia is built to understand the objective and carry that workflow through end-to-end instead of handling it off four times. We saw it two ways now. In that end, the services our marketing businesses deliver and directly add the product. Having both gives us an unusually clear read on what a customer will pay for the agent on its own versus the services rep around it These two markets are picked in the first batch have almost nothing in common Personal finance and marketing operations share almost no customers, no regulations, and no workflows. So if the same approach works in both, that's the approach working and not luck. It's also how we will choose the third agent and the fourth.

We go where we already operate, where the work is high fixed and frequented, and where we hold contact. A newcomer would need years to assemble. We are still at the beginning of this journey, and there is significant work ahead, but the launch of AMBR marks an important milestone for the company, and the early response we have seen and have again, strengthen our conviction in the direction we are taking. We look forward to sharing more as we expand the capabilities of AMBRE and MIA and introduce With that, I will turn it over to Josephine.

23:31

Josephine NguyenChief Financial Officer

Thank you Vicky, and good morning everyone. Before I get into the numbers, let me start with the headline for the quarter. Revenue grew 39% significantly, and we moved from an operating loss of $3.2 million in Q1 to operating income of $1 million in Q2. And importantly, we did that while keeping operating expenses essentially flat at around 10 million. I think that's an important point for investors. The strategy Michael just described is not being driven by a significant increase in spending. What we are seeing is that it's a change in the revenue mix, with higher margin, We see a genetic revenue growing alongside continued improvement in our core business. Typically, when a company goes through this kind of repositioning, you would expect to see a higher cost base first, and potentially a need for additional capital.

So far, we are seeing the opposite. We are growing revenue, improving margins, and moving into profitability with the materially increasing expenses. That's the kind of financial discipline that we want to maintain as we execute this transition. Let me walk through the quarter in a little more detail. Starting with revenue, total revenue in Q2 was 13.9 million, up 38.8% from 10 million in Q1. Beginning this quarter, we have reorganized how we present revenue into two categories, which we think better reflects how the business is evolving.

The first is digital access platform revenue, which was $6.6 million and includes wealth management, execution, and payment solutions. The second is Adjective Wealthvenue, which was $7.4 million and reflects the initial contributions from AMM, together with our marketing and enterprise solutions business. Within the digital assets platform, Wealth Management Solution generated $5.3 million, compared with $4.3 million last quarter. That improvement was mainly driven by stronger demand for both our diversified products and several newly launched offerings. Adjusting revenue was one of the key developments this quarter. A&M contributed 3.5 million in its first quarter of revenue recognition, while marketing and enterprise solutions contributed 3.8 million. And if you look at digital access platform together with AMM, revenue was 10.1 million.

That's slightly above the high end of the 9 million to 10 million outlooks we previously communicated. Moving to gross profit, we saw a significant improvement. Gross profit increased to 11.1 million from 6.8 million in Q1, and gross margin expanded to 79.5% from 67.7%. The main driver here was the mix of the business. We are seeing a larger contribution from higher margin activities, particularly AMM and our core wealth management business. So, from our perspective, it's not just the revenue growth that's encouraging. The quality of that revenue is also improving. On operating expenses, we remain at approximately 10 million, essentially flat with the prior quarter. That's particularly important given the growth we delivered during the quarter. We are starting to see the operating leverage we believe can come from deeper AI integrations across business.

As a result, operating income was $1 million for the quarter, compared with an operating loss of $3.2 million in Q1. Looking at the bottom line, net income from continuing operations was $1.5 million, compared with a net loss of $3.7 million last quarter. Adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations improved to positive $1.9 million from negative $3.2 million in Q1, and adjusted net income was $1.5 million. Turning briefly to the balance sheet, as of June 30, we have $34.2 million in cash, cash equivalents, time deposits, and restricted cash. Let me also address our outlook, because I know this will be an important question for investors. As Michael discussed, the company is going through a meaningful strategic transition toward becoming an energetic AI company.

Given that transition, we don't believe our previously issued financial guidance is still the right framework for evaluating the company's future performance. We have therefore decided to withdraw that guidance while we view more operating history around this field, new business, and get better visibility into their financial contribution. Once we have enough data and forecasting visibility, we intend to provide update guidance. I want to emphasize that withdrawing the guidance doesn't change our confidence in the long-term opportunity. It's really about making sure that when we give the investor a forward-looking framework, it's based on the business we are building now rather than the business we had before this transition. So stepping back, I think Q2 gives you more early but meaningful evidence of what this new model can look like.

Revenue growth, expenses stayed essentially flat, growth margins expanded significantly, And we move from an operating loss to operating profit. For us, that's the pattern we want to continue seeing as we move toward a more agent-native, higher-minded business model. We are still early in this transition, and there is a lot of work ahead. But we are encouraged by the progress we are seeing, and we will continue to stay focused on disciplined execution and long-term value creation.

With that, I will turn the call back to Mia.

Questions and answers

30:28

MiaInvestor Relations

Thank you. Thank you, Josephine. That concludes our remarks for today. We will now open the line for Q&A. Operator, please begin.

30:42

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31:14

Michael WuChief Executive Officer

Sorry, go ahead. I see some questions on screen. First question, what is proprietary about your AI agent, about AMBR's AI agent? This is actually a really good question, and I'd like to share with the audience our own AMBR's definition of what is even an AI agent. I think the industry sort of comes together to a definition for AI agent. This concept or this whole species is still fairly new in human history. The industry sort of defines AI agents as the model plus the harness. We do believe that definition is incomplete. Our A&BR's definition for AI agents is an agent is the model plus the harness plus the pose. I think that will lead us back to the original question.

Why do we believe that way? Because the model is the intelligence and that intelligence is increasing day by day as the model labs compete for better and better models of all sorts, proprietary or open source. Harness, fairly new concept, essentially means the environment or the tools or setup for that intelligence to do actual work. The best example is coding agents. Harness allows the model to code and write programs for programmers or even non-programmers. We call them biocoders. But we do think, like Auxiou Yibao said earlier in his remarks, the purpose is what makes that action from the model valuable to someone. The purpose is essentially what the model is doing for who in what scenario and why.

If the model highly intelligent and increasingly intelligent acts without the purpose it unclear why the customers should pay for that Because it unclear what the value the customer receives Now so going back to the original question what is proprietary about AMBR AI agents I do think in the areas we started, Ambry with Wealth Management, MIA with Marketing, we understand the purpose or at least we understand the purpose very well for the customers the original business We understand what exactly they need, what are their demands, what are their pain points, and how they like to have these services delivered, how they like to have their problems solved. Now, that is proprietary because any other company with the same model or even the last The staff that created the model does not have that, unless they have done years of servicing these customers like we did.

And take a step back to harness. Nowadays, just like the models, you have increasingly an open source culture around both the model and the harness. You now have a lot of great open source models, essentially free to use, free to deploy locally by A&BR or other companies. You now also have a lot of open source harnesses. In fact, some of the most popular personal general agent harnesses like the Permis agent, OpenClaw, PIE agent, they're all open source, which means anyone, including A and beyond, can use them, fine-tune them, review them according to our needs. Now, because we have, again, very deep understanding about the purpose, Amber, we understand how these clients like to be serviced around their money, around their wealth management.

Mia, we understand how these companies like to be serviced with their marketing. We can then build harness that are special, that are proprietary to these clients, to these persons, and provide them value in the way they want, in the way they actually find the valuable, because the ones who pay, I believe, defines what's valuable. Now, also a lot of our harness are also proprietary because they come from the system that's been running, battle tested, servicing these clients for years. You cannot build these programs and allow these non-LL included old school programs. You cannot build these programs. You can bi-coded them. They are not battle tested. They are not the way clients have been serviced or like to be serviced.

Back to the original answer, I think, actually other than the model, both the harness and the purpose are not only proprietary to the A&BR agents like Amber and Mia. They are unique with mold that was built over years of servicing these real clients to perhaps one of the highest standards in the industry. I hope that answers the question and I also hope that provides a bit more insight on how we understand building AI agents given the field is so new. I do think that as a public company doing that we have sort of a responsibility educating the audience or even potentially sharing what we know about what building AI agent even means.

Once again, if you would like to ask a question via the phone, please press the star 1 on your telephone keypad. Were there any other web questions? We will take another question from the web. It's a fun one, and I think it can hopefully be insightful for the audience too. The question reads, if investors give your five largest competitors $50 million tomorrow, what stops them from building Emory and MIA? This is a great question because the answer is both simple and I think again, you know, comes to how we understand about building AI agents. Frankly, the ones who can build theoretically, Emory and Mia, they do not need the $50 million. They are potentially the labs or the large internet companies that are already building models and general agents.

They do not need that $15 million tomorrow to build those. But why are they not building Amber and Amea? Because that is not their focus. They are fighting different battles. They are trying to build the better model. They are competing very hard. They are the best people. Their billions or hundreds of billions of dollars are spent winning the model war, not winning the vertical agent war we are fighting.

Now, on the other hand, if you give $50 million to a competitor that wants to build Avery and Mia tomorrow, also doesn't help that hypothetical competitor. Because first, they are unlikely to understand the purpose we do. We do. And even if they do, they are in the same industry. They are unlikely to have built their harness the way that it's genetic or predictable as we have done with the AIMM and with the harness around MIA, the harness around Embry. Last but not least, I think likely they will be building their version of Embry and MIA for the wrong purpose, and that matters. Likely they will try to add an AI bot onto whatever they were selling and that's not going to be the right purpose of servicing the users, the customers like what Emory and Mia are doing with our customers.

So I think this is a great question. I actually think this $50 million doesn't help any hypothetical competitor of ours because the ones who can do it, they don't need the $50 million and they're not doing it. It's not for financial reasons. They're doing it because they're fighting different battles with their focus. And the ones who need $50 million, they probably cannot build what we build or at least in a very, I think, extended period of time. There are no phone questions at this time. Okay. Then we will take one more question. I don't want to be the only one talking from our team who has very capable management, but I will start. Do you expect to take shares from existing competitors, or do you view the segments as open and untapped?

This is a great question because I think it's a bit of both and it depends on the time horizon, the portion of where our growth or revenue come from essentially will differ. In the near term, take Mia as an example. Mia is already making revenue from customers. Now, both of these customers probably do not care. They are serviced by Mia or iClick or another marketing company, I will now turn the call over to management for the marketing company, maybe with or without AI. In that sense, MIA is taking market shares from iClick competitors or iClick itself. Now essentially iClick is you can think of it as a service arm or an additional layer on top of MIA.

Now, at the same time, I do think customers being serviced directly by MIA are having a very different service experience. They essentially, and especially for a lot of smaller customers, this is essentially the first time they are being serviced and can afford to be serviced by a truly 24-7 complete marketing team. This is a clearly untapped market because these customers, their marketing needs existed before. A way for their marketing needs to be serviced this way didn't exist before. Now, in the near term, I do think MIA or iClick and CMRS with MIA behind is operating a lot better than many of its competitors and it will take market share from competitors. But over time, I think the most powerful thing to MIA service model is will open up a lot of new customers that they didn't think they can have this level of service.

Same thing happens with Amber. The level of services Amber Premium team provides to high networks of family, billion dollar family offices was not accessible by smaller investors or individuals most of the time. It was just too expensive to do that. Now, not only that experience, that service can potentially be delivered better, they can be delivered in It is an affordable cost to a lot more customers. So back to that, before my teammates add more, I think over time it is a bit of both, but a later open market is a lot larger for us. Thank you.

43:35

That concludes today's conference. I am sorry. That concludes the question and answer session.

43:39

MiaInvestor Relations

I will turn the floor back to Mia for final comments. Thank you all for joining us today. This quarter marked a clear step in Amber's pivot, from a digital wealth management business to a technology company that builds specialized AI agents. Ombre and Nia are the first two agents now in market, and the second quarter results are the first evidence that this direction is beginning to show through in the numbers. We sincerely appreciate your continued trust and support. We look forward to sharing more in the quarters ahead, including at our investor day, which we now expect to hold before year end.

This concludes today's call. Thank you, and have a great day.

44:27

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