Summary
Management framed the quarter as a strong start, raising guidance while stressing gradual supply-chain recovery and cautious industrial assumptions.
- AESA radar awards and land-vehicle pursuits expanded the long-term defense opportunity beyond prior expectations.
- PFT trends improved in North America and China, while European chemical weakness and construction softness persisted.
- Management described additional M&A as more likely toward year-end than over the next several months.
Guidance
- $4.75FY24 adjusted EPS $4.75 to $5.05, raised by $0.20
- 12%FY24 A&E core sales growth 12%, up from 10%
- 22%FY24 A&E segment margin 22%, up from 21.5%
- 4.5%FY24 A&E acquired-sales benefit 4.5% from Vion
- FY24 PFT pricing mid-single-digit range, slightly below 2023
- FY24 European chemical sales down double digits
- FY24 commercial aftermarket outlook low double digit growth
- FY24 military aftermarket outlook double digit growth
What analysts pressed on
- 01PFT pricing: full-year 2024 pricing expected in the mid-single-digit range, slightly below 2023.
- 02LEAP engine exposure: no 2024 outlook change expected; longer-term impact would depend on production changes.
- 03PFT competitive intensity: no dramatic shift seen, including Chinese competitors gaining traction in the U.S.
- 04Aerospace supply constraints: unmet demand remains an estimated $50 million to $60 million, without naming a specific supplier or commodity.
- 05European chemical and construction drag: management declined to quantify the effect, citing European chemicals down double digits for the year.
- 06PFT outlook risks: political, geopolitical, inflation and Fed uncertainty warrant caution; faster European chemical recovery could add upside.
Notable disclosures
- $50M$50 million to $60 million of aerospace unmet demand remains stable, but the mix of constraints has shifted from component shortages to broader capacity and labor issues.
- $100M$100 million-plus estimated lifetime sales from a new AESA radar program depend on expected full-rate production.
- $700M$700 million of potential lifetime sales is tied to possible Common Tactical Truck and land-vehicle program wins.
- 7%7% to 9% A&E growth target may be revisited at Investor Day after management cited more wins and pricing runway than initially assumed.
- $20M$20 million annual orders for FK Tri-X are expected by 2026, versus its 2022 introduction.
Risks raised
- Aerospace growth remains constrained by broader supplier capacity, turnover, labor experience and intermittent component availability.
- European chemicals and non-residential construction remain soft, with European chemical sales expected down double digits.
- Industrial activity, geopolitical uncertainty, inflation and Fed actions could pressure the cautious PFT outlook.
- Commercial aftermarket year-over-year growth will moderate as comparisons become more difficult in the second half.
Tone: Confident 0.78
Management highlighted raised guidance, stronger PFT trends and new program wins, while acknowledging persistent supply constraints and macroeconomic uncertainty.
Who spoke
Company
- Jason FeldmanInvestor Relations
- Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
- Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Analysts
- Matt SummervilleAnalyst, D.A. Davidson
- Scott DeuschleAnalyst, Deutsche Bank
- Nathan JonesAnalyst, Stifel
- Damian KarasAnalyst, UBS
- Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Bank of America
- Justin AgesAnalyst, CJS Securities
Full transcript
Analyst questions are marked with a bar. Timestamps are into the recording.
Prepared remarks
Welcome to the Crane Company first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. If you would like to ask a question at that time, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If at any point your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star 2. So that others can hear your questions clearly, we ask that you please pick up your handset for best sound quality. Lastly, if you should require operator assistance, please press star zero. I would now like to turn the call over to Jason Feldman, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Treasury, and Tax. Please go ahead.
Jason FeldmanInvestor Relations
Thank you, operator, and good day, everyone. Welcome to our first quarter 2024 earnings release conference call. On our call this morning, we have Max Mitchell, our Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, and Rich Maui, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We'll start off our call with a few prepared remarks, after which we will respond to questions. Just a reminder that the comments we make on this call may include some forward-looking statements. We refer you to the cautionary language at the bottom of our earnings release and also in our annual report, 10K, and subsequent filings pertaining to forward-looking statements. Also during the call, we will be using some non-GAAP numbers, which are reconciled to the comparable GAAP numbers and tables at the end of our press release and accompanying slide presentation, both of which are available on our website at www.
craneco. com in the investor relations section. Now let me turn the call over to Max.
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, Jason. Sam, good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining the call today. Yet another impressive quarter with results outperforming expectations. Adjusted EPS was $1.22, driven by 5% core sales growth. Along with strong leading indicators, core orders and backlog both up 11% compared to last year, we are off to a great start in 2024. Based on that strength, we are raising our full year guidance by 20 cents to a range of 475 to 505, which reflects 14% EPS growth at the midpoint.
That's a high-confidence guidance that we have direct line of sight to delivering, assuming somewhat muted industrial activity and continued but gradual improvement in the aerospace electronic supply chain. While this is our best thinking today, we believe there may be upside as the year progresses if those two assumptions prove conservative. If so, we are structured to meet any unexpected changes in upside demand. There's also potential upside to guidance from capital deployment if we are successful with further M&A in the quarters ahead. On that front, in addition to our strong first quarter results, I'm pleased to announce that we signed an agreement to acquire CryoWorks as a strategic bolt-on in our process flow technology segment. Founded in 2009, based in Jerupa Valley, California, CryoWorks is a leading supplier of vacuum-insulated pipe systems for hydrogen and cryogenic applications, which is highly synergistic with the ongoing organic development of our CryoFlow brand.
CryoWorks has an annual sales of approximately $28 million, with approximately $5 million of adjusted EBITDA. With a purchase price of $61 million before tax step-up benefits with a net present value of approximately $11 million, we expect that transaction to close at the end of this month. Crayo works significantly and immediately expands our portfolio of cryogenic products and solutions, and will help us access a number of high-growth markets, including complex insulated piping for space launch applications, insulated piping and valves for cryogenic applications, and a number of electronics, semiconductor, and manufacturing testing applications, as well as transportation and transfer solutions for cryogenic alternative fuels. Moreover, we will utilize this team's design expertise to accelerate development of our cryoflow solutions targeting traditional cryogenic applications and new mobility and transportation applications.
We expect this acquisition to exceed 10% ROIC with approximately 10% of EPS decretion, excluding intangible amortization by year five. Another acquisition that is an excellent fit, strengthening our existing business and fully aligned with our strategy. My personal thanks to Donna and Tim Mast and Tim Mast, Jr. , for their help and assistance throughout the diligence process and entrusting their outstanding organization to crane moving forward.
And we look forward to working closely to further investing and driving growth with the entire CryoWorks team. Strong start to the year, both in terms of results and with two acquisitions in the first four months. With continued progress on our existing M&A funnel, we expect additional opportunities to become actionable over the next year, primarily smaller and mid-sized transactions.
While we are working on a number of transactions at the moment, we see more opportunities at the end of 24 than we do in the next several months, given the expected timeline for known processes. Our annual Investor Day event is scheduled for May 14th at 8.30 a. m. in New York City, and we look forward to updating you on our progress, delivering on the strategy and vision we laid out at last year's Investor Day. Specifically, we remain firmly confident in a 4% to 6% long-term core sales growth rate from resilient and durable businesses with solid aftermarket, substantial operating leverage on top of already solid margins today that should lead to double-digit average annual core profit growth, With potential upside from capital deployment, and with virtually no net debt, the capital deployment opportunity is significant.
And without taking too much away from Investor Day, where both Alex and Jay will provide more insights on recent wins, I would like to call out a couple in the quarter, starting with aerospace electronics. I'm particularly excited that one of our key defense customers has secured an initial contract for a large AESA radar program. Given our positioning on that program, assuming it moves to full rate production as expected, we estimate that our lifetime sales for this new program will exceed $100 million. This also continues our winning streak in the space, where our high-power converters have been selected for nearly every new ground-based AESA radar system developed in the last five years.
To date, our awards in this application represent approximately $800 million in program lifetime sales. In an area where historically, prior to several years ago, we had no position. In addition, we are also confident we will soon secure multiple unidirectional and bidirectional high-power conversion wins on leading military land vehicle demonstrators, with significant positions expected with all of the primes competing for major programs.
We've talked previously about our product position for the XM30 optionally manned fighting vehicle, We are now seeing progress with the Common Tactical Truck Program as well. There's another market where we have not historically had content, but given our technology investments, see a path and potential for roughly $700 million in program lifetime sales.
In our modular power business, we just launched the first phase of our new family of DC to DC converters called XMOR. This new range of products has a wide input voltage range for high reliability aerospace and military grade applications, as well as radiation tolerant and radiation hardened versions for space applications. This product family is being created on a single development platform that can be configured to serve many different markets and end user applications and voltage ranges.
The full XMOR launch will be complete by the end of this year and will be followed by the launch of both medium and low-power products called XMRT in late 2025.
Moving to process flow technologies, a few highlights from the quarter include the great progress we've made with our high-efficiency motor platform in the U. S. municipal water business. As we continue to expand the range of our portfolio, we've had particular success with this motor platform, and most recently with the largest frame size in the 75 to 120 horsepower range used in wastewater treatment plants.
Based on our success in the quarter, we are on track to doubling our sales from last year in this product segment. You may recall that last quarter I discussed a 5 million pharmaceutical order we won with a new customer due to advances with our EX diaphragm technology that supports a higher temperature range and longer product life than the entrenched incumbent provider was able to meet. Our value proposition continues to resonate with our customers, and we want another significant pharmaceutical project for a next-generation cancer drug where the production process requires temperature ranges where our products are differentiated and well-suited.
We also continue to gain traction with commercialization of many new key products that we've discussed over the last few years. One example is the success we've had with the FK Tri-X, a proprietary innovative triple offset valve with a breakthrough design that eliminates the traditional tradeoff between flow rate and ceiling capabilities. Since introduction, this valve has gained increasing acceptance, particularly in chloralkali, organics, olefin, and fertilizer applications.
Introduced just two years ago in 2022, we're on track for significant order growth this year, with orders on track to exceed $20 million annually by 2026. Very proud of our team and globally as we continue to drive our strategic vision with excellent execution.
Now let me turn the call over to one of the most dynamic and exciting CFOs in the industry with a passion for profitable growth and who puts the fine back into finance, Mr. Richard A. Mowey. And for more specifics on the quarter and some more details on the guidance.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Max. But I must say that I think you undersold my excitement and passion. In the words of Ron Burgundy in the movie Anchorman, don't act like you're not impressed. I'm kind of a big deal. People know me. I have many leather-bound books, and my apartment smells of rich mahogany. Well said. Well said. For those who do not know me, I am kidding, but I am embarrassed to say that I do enjoy that movie. And good morning, everybody. Another strong quarter demonstrating accelerating core growth results with continued excellent performance across all businesses, despite some persistent supply chain challenges that continue to impact the broader aerospace and defense industry. Core sales growth of 5% reflects continued strong demand and great execution at aerospace and electronics.
Adjusted operating profit increased 6%. While that reflects leverage more muted than we typically see in our businesses, it was known and due to expected factors that we previously discussed.
First, acquired sales always leverage mathematically at their operating profit margin level in the first year. Second we have a very challenging comparison at Process Flow Technologies to last year record 23 adjusted operating margins which I discuss more in a minute Adjusted EPS also beat our expectations, and remember that comparing EPS to the prior year is challenging as our capital structure and related interest expense changed materially after last year's separation transaction. From a quarterly perspective, as I just mentioned, there are also a number of timing differences comparing 2024 to 2023 that flattered the first quarter of last year and created difficult comparisons. Looking at our results another way, our first quarter EPS run rate compared to full year 2023 reflects 14% adjusted EPS growth.
Importantly, leading indicators were also strong. With core FX neutral backlog and orders both up 11% compared to last year. And as Max explained, notably better than expected at process flow technologies. Getting into the details, I will start off with segment comments that will compare the first quarter of 2024 to 2023, excluding special items as outlined in our press release and slide presentation. And then I will comment on our 2024 outlook for each segment and for our overall P&L. Starting with aerospace and electronics, no change in end market conditions, which remain very strong.
On the commercial side of the business, aircraft retirements remain very low due to high demand and limitations on aircraft deliveries. This resulted in an aging fleet that requires more aftermarket parts and service, and air traffic activity also remains strong. On the defense side, we continue to see solid procurement spending and a continued focus on reinforcing the broader defense industrial base given the heightened global uncertainty today.
Overall, just a solid demand environment with no signs of slowing anytime soon. That strong demand was reflected in our first quarter growth rates, with sales of $226 million increasing 25% compared to last year, with 20% core growth and a 5% benefit from the Vion acquisition.
Despite continued high levels of sales growth, our record backlog of $792 million increased 23% year-over-year, including 15% core growth and an 8% contribution from the Vion acquisition. Sequentially, core FX neutral backlog increased 5%. By category and excluding the buy-in acquisition, in the quarter, total aftermarket sales increased 39%, with commercial aftermarket sales up 34%, and military aftermarket up 53%.
OE sales increased 14% in the quarter, with 16% growth in commercial and up 11% in military. While the demand environment remains very strong, we continue to remain somewhat supply chain constrained, with steady but gradual improvement over the last few quarters. As we have discussed previously, this is not just related to on-time deliveries from suppliers, but the broader supply infrastructure spanning from raw materials, components, and labor, both availability and supplier employee turnover, and employee experience levels. Areas of specific shortages continue to shift and evolve, although overall component availability has modestly improved, consistent with our commentary over the last few quarters.
We do continue to make investments related to expediting shipments, as well as projects to qualify new suppliers and add second sources where it makes strategic sense. Adjusted segment margins of 22.4% increased 150 basis points from 20.9% last year, primarily reflecting higher volumes, productivity, and favorable mix, partially offset by the supply chain-related investments I just mentioned.
Looking ahead to the remainder of 2024, we are raising our guidance to reflect the strong first quarter and our expectations for continued strength. We now expect core sales growth of 12% for the full year, up from prior guidance of 10% core growth, and we still expect a full year 4.5% favorable benefit from the buy-on acquisition.
That guidance assumes continued modest sequential growth over the next three quarters, albeit at a decelerating year-over-year growth rate as the comparisons become more challenging. We are also raising our full-year margin guidance to 22%, up from prior guidance of 21.5%. That does assume a slight moderation in margin rates, primarily because we don't expect the mix for the remainder of this year to be quite as favorable as the first quarter.
Margin guidance reflects core leverage, excluding buy-in of approximately 37%, a little higher than prior guidance, overall on track for another outstanding year.
From a cadence perspective, sales will increase slightly sequentially across the full year, with margins fairly steady over the next three quarters.
At Process Flow Technologies, we remain very well positioned to continue outgrowing our markets, and our market outlook is now a little bit more positive than it was over the last several quarters. While we continue to see softness in the European chemical, non-residential construction, and general industrial markets, North America and China projects have now been stronger than we expected for the last few quarters, and we now expect this trend to continue.
We believe part of this may be related to reshoring in the U. S. and localization projects in China, both directly and indirectly, success from our share gain initiatives, and a somewhat unique cyclical recovery in the post-COVID global macro environment. While we are still a little cautious in our outlook, we are raising our sales and margin guidance for the year to reflect better-than-expected strength in our orders and backlog year-to-date.
In the quarter itself, we delivered sales of $284 million, up 5%, driven by a 6% benefit from the Baum acquisition and favorable foreign exchange, with core sales down 2% as expected. Compared to the prior year, core FX neutral backlog increased 7%, and core FX neutral orders increased 9%, both driven primarily by North American markets, followed by China and Asia Pacific.
Sequentially, compared to the fourth quarter, core FX neutral backlog increased 6%, with core FX neutral orders up 9%. Adjusted operating margins of 20.8% decreased 260 basis points, better than we expected compared to our all-time record margins in the first quarter of last year. Remember that the first quarter of 2023 benefited from an inventory revaluation as well as timing of deferred growth investment spending. For our current volume run rates, we are very pleased with first quarter margins.
Turning to our full-year guidance, we now expect 2024 sales growth of approximately 7%, up from our prior expectation of 4.5%. Acquisitions, now including both Baum and PryorWorks, will add about 6 points to our full-year growth rate. And excluding acquisitions, we now expect core sales growth of approximately 1%, up from prior guidance of flat, and reflecting a modest acceleration in sales growth over the course of the year. We are also raising our margin guidance for the full year to 20.4% of 40 basis points from prior guidance. That implies slightly lower margins that we delivered in the first quarter, reflecting modest temporary dilution from the Cryoworks acquisition and slightly less favorable mix. For context, remember that in 2019, just before COVID, margins were 13.6%.
The significant step function change in margins reflects deep structural shifts in the business to higher growth in higher margin and markets. The contribution from accretive new product introductions, pricing that is both disciplined and appropriately assertive given the inflationary environment, our continued investments in technology-driven product differentiation, and continued cost repositioning and productivity.
From a cadence or timing perspective, as a reminder, we expect 2024 to be far more level-loaded than 2023. At engineered materials, sales of 55 million decreased 12% compared to the prior year. As expected, adjusted operating profit margins decreased 360 basis points to 14.7% on the lower volumes. For the full year, 2024, we continue to expect both sales and margins to be flat compared to 2023, as the RV market stabilizes with a normal quarterly cadence with the fourth quarter seasonally slowest.
Moving on to total company results, in the first quarter, adjusted free cash flow was negative $86 million, consistent with normal seasonality, and better than last year's, negative $101 million. For the full year, we are raising our adjusted free cash flow guidance to a range of $250 to $275 million, up $10 million from prior guidance, and still reflecting better than 90% free cash flow conversion. Total debt at the end of the first quarter was approximately $357 million with $219 million of cash on hand. At the end of this month, we do expect to draw on a revolver to help finance the $61 million purchase price for the Cryoworks acquisition.
We continue to have substantial financial flexibility with more than $1 billion in M&A capacity today and reaching as much as $4 billion by 2028.
Now, this is more financial flexibility than we've had historically. Secondly, our capital allocation strategy is unchanged. We will deploy our capital with the same strict financial and strategic discipline that we always have employed, prioritizing internal investments for growth, followed by M&A and returns to shareholders.
Turning to our 2024 guidance, as Max mentioned, we raised our adjusted EPS range to 475 to 505 from our prior range of 455 to 485, reflecting 14% EPS growth at the midpoint. Guidance assumes total core growth of 4% to 6%, up a point from our prior guidance, and a 5% benefit from acquisitions, also up approximately a point from prior guidance.
That 4% to 6% core growth will drive approximately 16% growth in adjusted segment operating profit, about three times core sales growth. Most other elements of our full year guidance are unchanged but we did raise net operating expense by million to million to reflect incremental interest expense associated with the CryWorks acquisition Overall just a great start to the year with incredible momentum Operator we are now ready to take our first question Thank you And the floor is now open for questions At this time if you have a question or comment please press star 1 on your telephone keypad If at any point your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star 2.
Questions and answers
Again, we ask that you pick up your handset when posing your questions to provide optimal sound quality. Thank you. And our first question will come from Matt Somerville with DA Davidson. Please go ahead.
Matt SummervilleAnalyst, D.A. Davidson
Hi, morning.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Morning, Matt. Maybe first, if we can start with PFT, can you talk about how much incremental price capture you're expecting in that business in 24 relative to 23? And then you mentioned specifically North American China is seeing some healthy project activity. Could you maybe put a little end market color around that and then touch on, more broadly speaking, what you're seeing in the MRO side of PFT? And then I have a follow-up. Thank you.
Yeah, Matt, just on the first question, on pricing and what we expect in 2024 relative to 2023, we would expect full year this year to be in the mid-single-digit range, roughly, for overall PFT. I would say that that's slightly lower than 2023 overall, but still healthy. On North America and Project Health and so forth on the end market commentary, Matt, look, as what we told you historically, as we looked at historic modeling of the cycles, we predicted that orders were going to go negative in Q3, We kind of inflected that point and continued to then recover from there. Then we believed it was just moving to the right.
I think what we're realizing, and we're still seeing this play out, I mean, certainly it's been stronger than we anticipated, not quite as bad as we had forecast based on previous cycles. I think it's unique for this post-COVID environment, and we probably underestimated the impact of some of the reshoring broadly that's impacting direct and indirect order strength in chemicals in the Gulf Coast. So, you know, right now, you know, with the revised guidance, we're, you know, looking at not inflecting as negative as we had anticipated and recovering from here.
In terms of the project and MRO strength, I mean, there's just a broad-based improvement in projects overall. Well, North America in particular, China to a lesser degree, but stronger than anticipated. Europe hasn't changed significantly. You know, some of the reasons are expansions, de-bottlenecking, some reliability improvements. We're even seeing some pull through in the semiconductor-related. There are chemical applications using erosive, corrosive chemicals in semiconductor that we're seeing some general strength there also.
But generally, it's coming in a little stronger than we anticipated, and I think we're feeling a little more bullish.
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
I would agree, and I would say that maybe bolstering some of what Max mentioned was just our success in some of the share gain. And that's an initiative that we continue to have with our new product introductions across the business, Matt.
Matt SummervilleAnalyst, D.A. Davidson
Perfect. And then just an example about a pharmaceutical win. It's things like that that we continue to make good progress on.
Got it. And then just as a follow-up, I think GE sort of dialed back on their conference call today The growth outlook for the LEAP engine this year from, I think, 20%, 25% to 10% to 15%. How does that, if at all, kind of impact the outlook for your A&E business? And I guess how closely would your business kind of, if for that program, kind of correlate to that sort of growth rate?
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
I think what I would say is as it relates to 2024, we don't expect any change for our business relative to any change in outlook for the LEAP.
At this point, Matt, you know, looking out to the extent that it changes a little bit, it would have some impact. But for 2024, we would not expect any, just given the demand environment that we're in today.
Matt SummervilleAnalyst, D.A. Davidson
Understood. Thanks, Richard.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
You got it.
Our next question will come from Scott Dushley with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Scott DeuschleAnalyst, Deutsche Bank
Hey, good morning, guys.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Good morning, Scott.
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Good morning, Scott.
Scott DeuschleAnalyst, Deutsche Bank
Rich, I think hearing you quote Ron Burgundy might end up being the highlight of this earnings season.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
I'm hoping our earnings is a better highlight.
Scott DeuschleAnalyst, Deutsche Bank
No, yeah, that's true. Very good. Rich, I guess my first question would be whether you can give us a sense for what the price realizations were this quarter at A&E and at PST.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Sure, sure. So on PFT, I would just reiterate around mid-single digit is what we're seeing in the business overall. You know, and at A&E, roughly a third of the growth that we saw in the core growth that we saw in the quarter has been through price with the balance being volumes.
Does that help?
Scott DeuschleAnalyst, Deutsche Bank
Okay. Yeah, that's very helpful. And then, you know, Max, I was wondering if you might characterize the kind of broader competitive intensity at PFT right now, particularly relative to Niwei in China. Mainly, I'm just curious, not something I know very much about, but I'm just curious if you're seeing that specific Chinese competitor move up the value chain at all, or if the competitive environment is pretty status quo.
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
And Niwei in particular, I don't like to talk about the competitors too much. I would necessarily say that we're not seeing any dramatic change. Where years ago we may have been more concerned about Chinese manufacturers entering the U. S. globally, we haven't seen that kind of traction take place. I think we're well positioned. Even within China, there's a place for the global manufacturer versus localized spend, and that customer base that values still the technology, quality, delivery, stability that we bring and differentiate ourselves on that we continue to win. Not dramatic shifts, anything that we see significantly within the competitive base within the last year, a couple years, quite honestly.
Scott DeuschleAnalyst, Deutsche Bank
Okay, great. And then, Max, last question, which is, you know, did the midsize deals in the pipeline skew at all more toward A&E or more toward PFT, or is it relatively well balanced on the midsize deal?
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
It's balanced right now, Scott.
Scott DeuschleAnalyst, Deutsche Bank
Okay. Thank you.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thank you.
Our next question will come from Nathan Jones with Stiefel. Please go ahead.
Nathan JonesAnalyst, Stifel
Good morning, everyone.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Morning.
Nathan JonesAnalyst, Stifel
I'm going to start with a bit of a longer-time question on A&E. You guys have had, you know, a high single-digit kind of organic growth rate target out there, you know, over the next several years into the next decade. I'm sure that had, you know, a number of these projects, you know, like the radar one you were talking about this morning, I'm going to turn the call over to management for prepared remarks.
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
We set that 7% to 9% target a few years ago. There was clearly a set of assumptions that we had in mind, whether that was project wins in defense, how we saw things rolling out in commercial, more EV wins, type wins, high-powered defense, and so forth. So what I would say is since then, we clearly have won a little bit more than we had anticipated, and that's 7% to 9%. So I think every AESA platform that's been out there available for bid and quote and win, I think we've won all of them.
The other thing, so we've seen more momentum in Project Wins, I think is a part of the answer. The other part of the answer would be our success and future, I would say, more longer term and runway as it relates to price. So we do see further opportunity there, I would say, relative to when we first set the 7% to 9% growth rate.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
I think we'll update on the longer-term vision at Investor Day as well, Nathan.
Nathan JonesAnalyst, Stifel
I wasn't going to actually ask you to go 8% to 10% or 9% to 11% today. I figured we might get that in May or something.
While we're all making jokes today. So just a question on PFT. Clearly things have turned a little bit there. I think that some of the leading indicators, macro leading indicators that we all look at are turned up and are looking better. I think the outlook fundamentally looks a little bit better. You guys are taking it up a little bit, but remaining pretty cautious. Could you talk about the things that keep giving you some caution on the outlook there? What the risks you see to the outlook are that maybe keep it where it is and it doesn't move up throughout the year or that maybe it even comes in below where you've guided to?
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Well, my goodness, you know, the uncertainty just remains what's outside of our control, quite honestly. You have a highly charged political environment. You have wars. We have unknown inflationary environment and Fed action. I mean, there's just a lot of global uncertainty that is, I think, the right reason to be cautious and be prepared for anything. Having said that what within our control and what we see immediately it feels high confidence I would say that I see if this trend continues little downside risk with some upside potential opportunity You know what could influence that Potentially Europe coming back a little stronger Potentially, that's how I'm thinking about it.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, I mean, I would echo the, you know, it's probably maybe the inverse of the question is, you know, when do we see things? What would be a positive indicator for us? And it really is more probably that's the way we're thinking of things. There could be these things that could go wrong, but European chemical getting better faster.
So to the extent that that happens, we would see upside to what we've shared today at the midpoint.
Nathan JonesAnalyst, Stifel
Thanks very much for taking my questions. I'll see you next month.
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Nathan. Thanks, Nathan.
Our next question will come from Damian Karas with UBS. Please go ahead.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Morning, Damian.
Damian KarasAnalyst, UBS
Hey, good morning, everyone.
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Good morning.
Damian KarasAnalyst, UBS
Hey, first I just wanted to congratulate Jason on your recent promotion. From my perspective, very, very much deserved.
Jason FeldmanInvestor Relations
Thank you, Damon.
Damian KarasAnalyst, UBS
Thanks for the comment.
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
I agree. Oh, absolutely.
Damian KarasAnalyst, UBS
And Rich, maybe, you know, it doesn't have to be now, but maybe sometime you can just explain to us the history of San Diego.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Okay, will do.
Damian KarasAnalyst, UBS
So let me ask you about aerospace. Sorry if I missed this, but, you know, you've talked in the past about unmet demand, and, you know, I know you're still facing some supply chain bottleneck. Could you just give us an update on, you know, where you think that unmet demand, you know, the size of it, kind of what it represents, and kind of what it would take to maybe see some of those constraints removed?
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Damien. So it's still in that $50 million to $60 million range. It's a rough estimate. But remember, this supply chain we've described, it moved from true supply chain post-COVID, supplier shortages ramping up, so forth, electrical components. It's improved broadly in terms of just on-time delivery issues to become more general supply chain challenges around everything from capacity to turnover in our supply base, General challenges that, you know, moves around. I wouldn't call out any one commodity. I wouldn't call out any one supplier.
Caskings can continue to be problematic over time, things like that. So as we think about this, and it's not the same 50 or 60 million. Our customers, we're not impacting customer deliveries. It moves to the right, but generally it's in the same. Now, that's good news as well. So it's not worsening. It's stable. And we continue to see modest improvement, and that's in our guide, which is just continued modest improvement. So to the degree that things can continue to improve, then we would expect to be able to pull some things in a little sooner. If not, I think we feel confident in how we've planned and guided so far.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
I agree. And Damien, the one thing that I would add is, you know, the order strength that we saw in the quarter as well, right, much of it was beyond 24 delivery, right? So where you might say, well, why isn't that 50 or 60 getting bigger? A good portion of what we saw in the way of strength is for delivery in 25 and 26, frankly.
Damian KarasAnalyst, UBS
That's a good point. Okay, great. That's really helpful, guys. And then you gave some commentary around PFT and market verticals and regions. Would you possibly be able to just give us some numbers around, okay, so European Chemicals and Construction was a drag on 1Q sales. How much of a drag was it, and what are you baking into the full-year guide, thinking about that 1% organic growth? How much of a headwind are you currently factoring in for European chemistry and construction?
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Let me see if I can tackle what you're asking there. I would say that we're not expecting a lot of the repair and maintenance activity right now to improve significantly in European chemical. Our revised guidance reflects some project activity that's been building, as you know, over the last few quarters, that some of it will spill here into the 2024 period, largely in, you know, U. S. opportunities, China opportunities. So in terms of the overall guide revision on plus 1%, I would say, you know, it's stable in that maintenance area, MRO area, and increasing in chemical North America, China.
Jason FeldmanInvestor Relations
Jason, would you add anything else?
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
No. I mean, again, the guidance increase was strength of projects, specifically on European chemical. I think we've commented that we expect that down double digits this year.
Damian KarasAnalyst, UBS
Okay. Fantastic. Thanks.
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Damien.
Thank you.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, Damien.
And our next question will come from Jordan Leigh is with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Bank of America
Hey, good morning.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Good morning.
Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Bank of America
All right. I'm Aerospace and Electronics. Could you guys give us a little color around how you're thinking about the rest of the year, for how long the aftermarket strength can continue for both military and commercial? And if you're seeing even higher pricing being able to get pushed through relative to the whole segment.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Sure. So, well, you know, for military, I'll start there. We entered the year with sort of a double digit guide on where we thought military aftermarket was going to be. Just given what we were saying entering the year, I would say that's largely unchanged. We still see really good strength in that end market. Whether that's R&O, spares, retrofit, et cetera.
On commercial aftermarket, we did have a really robust quarter this quarter in Q1. Some favorable comps helped us there as well. And then as we move through the balance of the year, we still are seeing an outlook of basically low double digit, which is what we said coming into the year this year. So you'll see the year over year as we move forward.
Be a little bit more muted than what we saw here in Q1, but still pretty strong. From a pricing point of view, we're continuing to seize all those opportunities that you'd expect us to, whether that's through indexing that exists and other opportunities strategically for us to take price up.
Jason FeldmanInvestor Relations
Jason? Yeah, no, I mean, on the more muted growth rate as we progress through the year, just remember to look at the comps, right? The comparisons in the second half are a lot more challenging than the first half. If you look at the fourth quarter, you know, two years in a row, you know, 24 percent in the fourth quarter of 22, 33 percent up last year.
You know, they do get a lot more challenging, but the trend itself on a dollar basis continues to be quite favorable.
Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Bank of America
Got it. Thank you guys so much.
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Jordan. Thanks, Jordan.
And once again, if you do have a question, you may press star 1 on your telephone keypad at this time. And our next question will come from Justin Ages with CJS Securities. Please go ahead.
Justin AgesAnalyst, CJS Securities
Hi, good morning, guys. How are you?
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Hi, Justin.
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Good morning.
Justin AgesAnalyst, CJS Securities
I was just hoping you could give us an update on the hydrogen business that was called out as one of the pillars of growth. Does the recent acquisition fit into that, or is that going to be a separate business because of the end market served there?
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, great question. Thank you. So it absolutely fits into the current strategy. So we've – and we'll give an update on Investor Day as well. We previously talked about our investment in the CryoFlow brand and creating our own vacuum-jacketed pipe as well as valves and fittings and entering into the market. We've got a line of valves. We've already announced the strategic partnership with Chart on some of that. We're getting traction right now with approvals across major gas producers. This is where the focus has been, working on design, starting this business.
So we have a site in Conroe, Texas, that is going to be, was the core cryoflow vacuum jacketed pipe producing facility as we move forward. Cryoworks brings to us immediately a presence on the West Coast, And you tend to see regional strength with the vacuum-jacketed and vacuum-insulated piping systems for hydrogen and cryogenic solutions. What we plan to do is leverage the existing team's sales, growth, investment, and also technology to expand range, expand into still keep the growth into the Texas facility for East Coast and Gulf positioning, And continuing to grow and take share at an accelerated rate. So it brings immediate acceleration of our product development initiatives, as well as sales expansion for CryoWorks in the vacuum insulated piping solution, which will then help us in terms of the full solution, valves, fittings, and vacuum insulated piping.
So very synergistic.
Justin AgesAnalyst, CJS Securities
No, that's very thorough. Appreciate it. Thanks for taking the question.
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Richard MaueExecutive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thank you.
And with no further questions in queue, this does conclude the Q&A portion of today's call. I would like to turn the floor back to Max Mitchell for closing remarks.
Max MitchellChairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, Operator. What a great start to the year. And looking ahead, we've got a great event planned for May 14th, and I hope to see many of you there at our investor day, where we will further share our growth strategy for the future. In the words of the late great interior and fashion designer Iris Apfel, you can't go to the future if you haven't come from the past. And past strategic development, deployment, and execution has clearly been at the heart of our present performance. And we look forward to explaining our future strategic direction, expectations, and path forward for profitable growth in May.
Thank you all for your interest in Crane and your time and attention this morning.
Thank you, everyone. Have a great day. Stay classy, Max. Thank you, and this does conclude today's Crane Company first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. Please disconnect your lines at this time, and help us.
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