KinderCare Learning Companies (KLC) Q2 2026 earnings call transcript

Transcript, summary, guidance, and what analysts pressed on from the KinderCare Learning Companies, Inc. call on August 13, 2026.

Held
August 13, 2026
Length
43 min
Tone
Mildly positive0.25
Analysts
6
Words
6,835
FY26 revenue guidance
$2.66B-$2.70Bupdated outlook
FY26 adjusted EBITDA
$200M-$220Mupdated outlook
FY26 adjusted EPS
$0.05-$0.15updated outlook
Q3 revenue guidance
$660M-$680M
FY26 pricing contribution
approximately 2.5%reduced from 3%
Annualized closure revenue impact
approximately $57Mheadwind
Annualized closure EBITDA impact
$8Mbenefit
Lease-exit payments
$20M-$25Mabout 36 leases

Summary

Management framed the quarter as broadly on plan, with improving enrollment indicators but near-term variability from center consolidations and softer subsidy-driven pricing.

  • Learning Adventures revenue nearly doubled year over year, while Champions delivered a fourth consecutive quarter of double-digit growth.
  • Paid-search marketing lifted year-over-year inquiries every week; management added spending for back-to-school and began testing AI-assisted enrollment interactions.
  • Management said center consolidation was about two-thirds complete and retention of families and employees exceeded expectations.

Guidance

  • $2.66BFY26 revenue $2.66B-$2.70B
  • $200MFY26 adjusted EBITDA $200M-$220M
  • $0.05FY26 adjusted EPS $0.05-$0.15
  • 2.5%FY26 tuition contribution to revenue growth approximately 2.5%
  • 3%FY26 occupancy down approximately 3%
  • $660MQ3 revenue $660M-$680M
  • $44MQ3 adjusted EBITDA $44M-$48M
  • Q3 occupancy in the mid 60s

What analysts pressed on

  • 01Center-closure impact: management estimated 150 basis points of occupancy benefit and approximately $30M lower revenue in guidance.
  • 02Subsidy-driven pricing: management reduced the full-year assumption from 3% to 2.5%; additional state increases remain uncertain and could affect first-half 2027.
  • 03Lease exits: management cited $20M-$25M of expected payments for about 36 leases, with some resolution and cash impacts potentially extending into 2027.
  • 04Enrollment initiatives: management cited weekly year-over-year inquiry gains from targeted paid search, but declined to quantify enrollment impact so early in back-to-school.
  • 05Closure criteria: management evaluates demographics, inquiry, center trajectory, lease terms, engagement and nearby centers; it gave no exact count of comparable retained centers.

Notable disclosures

  • Approximately 9 out of 10 completed closures were in the fifth quintile, with many remaining closures also expected from that group.
  • 45%Centers generally need to approach 45%-50% occupancy to break even, but management said closure and remediation decisions remain center-specific.
  • Management said labor availability was not preventing growth, while demographic shifts and family migration drove some closures.
  • AI-assisted tools to assess tour and enrollment interactions began only weeks ago; management said results would be discussed on the next call.

Risks raised

  • Total enrollment declined 4% year over year, and same-center occupancy was 68.6%, down 240 basis points.
  • State subsidy reimbursement increases are arriving more slowly than expected, potentially affecting pricing and the first half of 2027.
  • Remaining consolidations are expected to create quarter-to-quarter financial variability, with most of the remaining closures in Q4.
  • Lease-exit payments are estimated at $20M-$25M, and some cash impacts may extend into 2027.
  • Net leverage is expected to increase modestly over the balance of the year as consolidation and lease-exit costs are funded.

Tone: Mildly positive 0.25

Management highlighted improving inquiries, business-line growth and successful center turnarounds, but enrollment remains pressured and guidance reflects lower pricing and consolidation costs.

Who spoke

Company

  • Jason TerryInvestor Relations
  • Tom WyattChief Executive Officer
  • Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

Analysts

  • Jeff SilberAnalyst, BMO Capital Markets
  • Jeff MeulerAnalyst, Baird
  • Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Deutsche Bank
  • Toni KaplanAnalyst, Morgan Stanley
  • George TongAnalyst, Goldman Sachs
  • Josh ChanAnalyst, UBS

Full transcript

Analyst questions are marked with a bar. Timestamps are into the recording.

Prepared remarks

00:00

Welcome to KinderCare's second quarter earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. It is now my pleasure to introduce Jason Terry, KinderCare's director of and based Vester Relations. Mr. Terry, you may begin the conference.

00:30

Jason TerryInvestor Relations

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to KinderCare's second quarter, 2026 earnings call. Joining me from the company, our chief executive officer, Tom Wyatt, and chief financial officer, Tony and Mandy. Following Tom and Tony's comments today, we will have a question and answer session. During this call, we will be discussing non-gap financial measures, the most directly comparable gap financial measures and a reconciliation of the differences between the gap and non-gap financial measures are available in our earnings release and within the supplemental earnings presentation, both of which are posted on our investor relations website at investors. kindercare. com.

A reminder that certain statements made today may be forward-looking statements. These statements are made based upon management's current expectations and beliefs concerning future events impacting the company and involve a number of uncertainties and risks, which are explained in detail in the risk factor section of our most recent annual report on Form 10k and other filings with the SEC.

Please refer to these filings for more detailed discussion of forward-looking statements and the risks and uncertainties of such statements.

The actual results of operations or financial condition of the company could differ materially from those expressed or implied in our forward-looking statements. All forward-looking statements are made as of today and, except as required by law, Kindercare undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future developments, or otherwise.

I'll now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Tom Wyatt.

02:10

Tom WyattChief Executive Officer

Thank you, Jason, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to share updates on our second-quarter performance for you today. We deliver results largely in line with expectations along with a few bright spots that reinforce the progress we are making. During the quarter, we remain focused on the priorities we outlined earlier this year, strengthening execution across our centers, simplifying day-to-day responsibilities of our center leaders, and positioning the business for long-term growth.

Revenue was now slightly compared to last year as we began optimizing our footprint during the quarter. This is partially offset by continued growth in champions and Kindercare for employers. In our premium brand, the Crim School continued building on the progress we've seen this year.

Same center occupancy for the quarter was just under 69%, and benefited from our optimization work. We're encouraged by the progress we're continuing to make, and we know there's more work ahead.

I'll begin with our flagship brand, Kindercare. Improving our enrollment trend within our largest brand is going to be the result of more consistent performance over time. The actions we took to enhance our targeted marketing are helping us connect with more prospective families. At the same time, we are simplifying the responsibilities of our center directors to give them more time to lead their centers, support their teachers, and engage with families in meaningful ways.

Both day-to-day interactions are the heart of great family experiences, and over time, they help convert interest into enrollment and retain families longer. That's how operational improvements translate into better results.

We put a renewed emphasis on our small group enrichment programs called Learning Adventures. These incremental programs expand learning in our classrooms in areas like phonics, STEM, and Spanish.

Family response continues to exceed our expectations as revenue from these programs has almost doubled from a year ago. We're expanding these offerings across more centers and into additional seasonal programming, giving families even more opportunities to extend their child's learning experience beyond our core curriculum, which we believe is a key differentiator. We're also investing thoughtfully to expand our geographic footprint where we see attractive long-term potential and strong demand for high-quality early education.

During the quarter, we entered our 42nd state with a new center in Bentonville, Arkansas. We also opened the center in Ridgefield, Washington, a thriving community often described as a child-care desert. Both centers expand access to child care where it's needed most. We're applying that same discipline approach to Creme Schools, our premium brand, expanding into markets where we see growing demand.

Just after the quarter ended, we opened the Creme School at Great Park in Irvine, our first Creme location in California. The school features modern learning environments, elevated amenities, and personalized educational experiences. This is an important milestone and expands Creme into a large and very attractive market.

We are pleased with enrollment in our summer camp programs at Creme, where enrollment increased approximately 26% compared to last year. It's another encouraging sign that our repositioning efforts are gaining traction. As we grow this brand, we're focused on delivering differentiated educational experiences that families value.

Turning to champions, we delivered another strong quarter of double-digit revenue growth, extending our streak to four consecutive quarters. That growth reflects both the addition of 85 net new sites since Q2 of last year and improved productivity across our existing sites.

Summer programming at champions is going well, and we enforce our relationships with families and our school district partners. We're expanding into additional schools within our existing districts while bringing our before-and-after school programs to new districts.

Within kindergarten employers, we're continuing to see organizations look to partner with us to meet their employees' childcare needs. During the quarter, we welcome several new partners across a range of industries, reflecting continued demand for our employer-sponsored childcare solutions. It's an area of the business we're excited about, and we expect it to remain an important part of our growth strategy.

We're also encouraged by the opportunity we see intuition benefit. Our large national footprint gives us a clear advantage in offering childcare benefits to employers across 42 states. And we are able to connect more families with high-quality care in the communities where they live and work.

We believe that combination positions us well as employer demand for childcare solutions continues to grow. Our breadth and flexible platform allow us to partner with employers in a variety of ways. For example, we have supported public safety employees in Dallas by providing 24-hour childcare during the World Cup this past quarter. Just another example of how we can tailor our childcare solutions to meet the needs of employers and communities.

Quickly touching on the policy environment, the overall direction has been encouraging. We continue to see steady bipartisan support at all levels as federal policy has remained supported, and many states are expanding childcare access. For instance, New York recently announced a massive investment of $1.7 billion into ECE programs. California announced it will add another $220 million toward 20,000 new mixed delivery childcare spaces.

And New Hampshire is creating a childcare tax credit incentivizing employers to be a part of childcare solutions. We applaud these leaders for listening to the needs of the working parents.

As a national provider serving working families across the country, we're continually evaluating how we best serve them. That means expanding into growing communities like Benville, Ridgefield, and Irvine. It also means thoughtfully consolidating centers where demand has shifted. This is an important part of how we manage our presence across the country. As part of the ongoing evaluation of our center footprint, we've identified several consolidation opportunities that we believe will better align our centers with the communities we serve as families, needs, and local demand for childcare have evolved over time.

While the majority of our centers continue to perform well, some are no longer in the best locations to serve communities. As a result, we're consolidating those centers, and as of today, we are approximately two-thirds of the way through this work, including 49 center closures completed during the second quarter.

Those centers represented about 3% of our total center footprint, and were primarily from our fourth and fifth quintile, and on average, were below 37% occupied.

These decisions are never easy, and we evaluate every center individually. Our priority is minimizing disruption for families, teachers, and the communities we serve. And wherever possible, we help families and employees transition to nearby locations.

We're encouraged that both family and employee retention have exceeded our expectations through this process. We believe that the result will be a center footprint that's better aligned with where our families live and work today, and it will allow us to focus our people, our resources, and investments where they can have the greatest impact for families. As we complete the remaining consolidations this year, you should expect some quarter-to-quarter variability in our financial results.

We believe that's a responsible trade-off, because these actions will strengthen kindergarten and better position us to serve families, continue investing in high-quality early education, and support long-term access to high-quality childcare.

Looking ahead, our priorities remain the same. We'll continue improving execution across the business. We will continue to invest where we see the greatest opportunities, and we will continue supporting our center teams so they can deliver the best possible experiences for our families.

We're encouraged by the progress we're making, confident in the actions we're taking, and excited about the opportunities ahead. Tony will now provide more details on our financial results.

11:36

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

Thank you, Tom. I'll start with our Q2 results, and then discuss our outlook for the remainder of the year. Second quarter revenue was $698 million, down slightly from $700 million in the prior year. Enrollment pressure was partially offset by strong performance and champions, and contributions from kinder care for employers, learning to ventures, and our newer centers. While current performance remains below prior year levels, the year-over-year gap is narrowed significantly, and the underlying trend continues to improve. Overall, same center revenue decreased by $14 million or 2%. This was mainly driven by lower enrollment and an $11 million impact from closures, $5 million of which was our footprint optimization work.

Higher tuition rates and strong performance from centers newly included in the same center cohort helped offset a portion of the enrollment headwind. Total enrollment declined by 4% year-over-year, reflecting both ongoing pressure and impact from our center consolidation action.

Pricing contributed approximately 2.6% to ECE revenue during the quarter. While we see positive developments overall in subsidy reimbursement rates, we expect the benefits to remain modest through the current state budget cycle.

The consolidations provided a 70 basis point benefit to same center occupancy for the quarter, which was 68.6% down 240 basis points from last year.

Champions revenue in the second quarter increased 13% year-over-year, driven by a mixture of new site openings and higher average revenue per site. Along with KinderCare for employers, these B2B businesses are broadening our revenue mix and supporting our overall growth strategy.

We opened five new centers and acquired five new centers during the quarter. Cast consideration for the acquisitions in Q2 was about a half million dollars, funded completely out of the $45 million in free cash flow generated in the quarter. New and acquired centers this year have contributed approximately $2.6 million in revenue year-to-date.

As Tom mentioned, we closed 49 centers during the quarter and expect that number to reach 80 to 85 by the end of the year with the majority of the remaining happening in the fourth quarter. On an estimated annualized basis, the optimization work would represent approximately a $57 million revenue headwind and an $8 million benefit to adjusted EBITDA. We estimate annual rent expense would decline by approximately $7 million.

An occupancy would improve by roughly 150 basis points once the work is fully completed. As we discussed earlier, you'll see some quarter-to-quarter variability in our financial results as we complete the remaining consolidations, and we've reflected those expected impacts in our updated outlook for the remainder of the year. To help investors better understand the optimization work, we've included a supplemental slide summarized in the impacts of consolidations completed to date and our expectations for the remaining work this year.

Continuing down the income statement, we reported a net loss of $8.8 million and reported a loss of $0.07 per share for the second quarter.

Adjusted EBITDA was $63 million for the quarter down from $82 million a year ago, reflecting the impact of lower occupancy on operating leverage. About $5 million of the decline was driven by adjustments to our insurance and legal reserves. Adjustment income was $9.9 million and adjusted EPS with $0.08 compared to $26 million and $0.22 respectively in the prior year period.

The quarter also included footprint optimization-related impacts, primarily impairment expense and accelerated depreciation, along with other transition costs, including about $1.5 million in severance expense. While our optimization work has near-term financial impacts, we expected to better align our center footprint and support stronger returns on capital over time.

SG&A was 10.5% of revenue down 76 basis points from last year. We remain focused on managing expenses while investing in the highest priorities.

Interest expense was $18 million for the quarter down from $20 million in the prior year, driven by a re-pricing last year. We expect to see favorable comparisons for the remainder of this year as well.

Turning to the balance sheet, we ended this quarter with $174 million in cash and $188 million of available capacity under a revolving credit facility. Net debt to adjust the EBITDA is approximately three times. We expect modest increase in that ratio over the balance of the year as we complete the remaining consolidations and fund costs associated with exiting leases.

Our balance sheet provides the flexibility to complete the remaining optimization work. Today, we have a line of sight to approximately 36 lease exits, representing approximately 20 to 25 million of expected lease exit payments. Those payments are reflected in our updated pre-cash flow outlook. The remaining leases are at varying states of negotiation, and they're timing an ultimate resolution will vary by location.

We'll continue to update investors as we gain additional visibility and the associated cash impacts, some of which may extend into 2027. Looking ahead, we are updating our full year outlook to reflect the expected impact of our footprint optimization work. For the full year, we now expect revenue between 2.66 and 2.7 billion, adjusted EBITDA between 200 and 220 million, and adjusted EPS between 5 and 15 cents.

Included in our updated outlook is approximately $8 million of incremental insurance related to our actuarial analysis on our workers' comp and general liability self-insurance. For our revenue growth assumptions, we are maintaining our occupancy to be down approximately 3% as reduced capacity from the optimization work, partially offset enrollment pressure.

We now expect tuition contribution to revenue growth of approximately 2.5% for the year, primarily reflecting the slower pace of state subsidy reimbursement rate increases than we previously expected. We expect the revenue growth contributions from champions in B2B to B1% with new centers and acquisitions to both remain consistent at about 50 basis points each. Consolidations are now expected to represent about 1.5% headland to revenue growth this year.

We expect CAPX this year to be between $120 and $130 million. Free cash flow is expected to be less than $10 million, primarily reflecting elevated cash costs associated with the footprint optimization work. For modeling purposes, assume our effective tax rate to be 27% for the year. To provide better transparency as we move into the second half, we're providing an outlook for the third quarter. We expect revenue to be between $660 and $680 million, and adjusted to give it out to come in between $44 and $48 million.

Occupancy for Q3 is expected to be in the mid-60s. We'll continue to provide updates on the financial impact of the remaining consolidations throughout the balance of this year.

By completing this work in 2026, we expect to enter 2027 with a better line center footprint, improved occupancy trends, and a cost structure that's better support sustainable long-term growth.

To wrap things up, our priorities for the second half are straightforward. We'll remain focused on discipline execution, completing our footprint optimization work, and investing in the opportunities that matter most. We believe those actions will position as well as we enter 2027.

Now, let's go ahead and open up the line for questions.

18:30

We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you're muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Jeff Silver with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Questions and answers

19:03

Jeff SilberAnalyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thanks so much. I'm just trying to get a little bit more color on the impact of the center closures, and forgive me, I came on the call late. If you hadn't, I guess, done all these center closures, what would have been the impact in terms of guidance going forward? Would it have been maintained, changed in any way, any color you could give would be great?

19:26

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

So we shared some information on mind in the presentation, so hopefully that will be helpful for you all, but I can go over a few things. So in the quarter, it was about 70 basis points of the impact of revenue. We anticipate, because you were asking more about guidance, 150 basis points of impact to occupancy.

And so obviously that's having a positive impact of departing those centers, and we anticipated about $30 million of revenue decrease because of those closure of centers. So that's definitely weighing into our guidance, and that's the amounts that kind of made the changes.

20:03

Jeff SilberAnalyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, great. I know there were other changes in guidance. Was there any other impact beyond the center closures in terms of your guidance change, whether it's tuition or subsidy impact?

20:15

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

Yeah. So right in our guide, we did reduce Jeff. The one thing that we did change was going down to two and a half percent on pricing. So we're just not seeing some of the rate impact we thought we would start seeing from subsidy come through. And so that's why we brought that down from three to two and a half percent of this year.

And is that something that you think will be delayed into next year or is that kind of, you know, I guess a recurring item? At this point, it's something that we're monitoring and we do think it could impact the first half of next year. And so it's definitely something we're monitoring on the potential impacts into the first half.

20:52

Jeff SilberAnalyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, great. All right, I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks for taking my questions.

20:56

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

Thanks, Jeff.

20:59

Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Mueller with Baird. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

21:06

Jeff MeulerAnalyst, Baird

Yeah, thank you. Just a similar question to Jeff's, but on the slide, I guess, 10 in the deck. It says there's a adjusted even DA impacts, negative two million, 20 and two and negative three million and 20, 26. I thought that you said there was like eight million of benefit from these closures. So can you just help square that? And then on the EBITDA guidance, just any, any adjustments beyond kind of the closures, the eight million of insurance headwinds. And then I don't know if there's any sort of like flow through impact to either top presumably there is on the lower price yield.

21:52

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

Yeah, that's right. So on the three million that's on that slide, right, that is the direct impacts we saw from closing those centers. So that is some severance that will come right on centers where we weren't able to move a center director or a teacher. We obviously would provide severance in that situation. And then as we turn keys back over outside of the kind of leases, there's occasionally some maintenance type fix up things we need to do and obviously the relatively minimal, but that's factored into that three million as well.

Was there an eight million benefit that was referenced? So that's that would be the annualized benefit. So that's something we see in the future of kind of seeing those centers depart our fleet. And even all that they were pulling us down by going forward.

So there's only a partial benefit from that this year. That's right. Yes. Yep. That's right.

22:52

Jeff MeulerAnalyst, Baird

Okay. Got it. Got it. I think you just comments on just the marketing initiatives and the enrollment growth and the opportunity region and just to what extent that progress is continuing.

23:07

Tom WyattChief Executive Officer

Yeah, Jeff, it is continuing the opportunity region is still performing well. I would tell you that the marketing that we began in the first quarter and it continues through the third quarter. Now, we actually added a few more a million dollars to it going into back to school. Because all of the marketing, the target marketing we've done on paid search has put us in a position to increase year over year inquiry every single week. So we're really pleased with that. It's all about execution. Now, Jeff, we're waiting to see and are starting to see as we mentioned in the last call, we're starting to see some traction in partial centers where the clarity of their job, the lack of distractions, all the work that we did to simplify the role of center director is starting to pay off of that.

24:05

Jeff MeulerAnalyst, Baird

Okay. Thank you.

24:05

Tom WyattChief Executive Officer

Yep.

24:09

Your next question comes from the line of Pfizer, all we with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

24:16

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Deutsche Bank

Yes. Thank you. So just to follow up on the closure, I think you said that there may be more costs in 2027 and that might be related to some of the cash costs. So, can you just help us appreciate, you know, some of the impacts into 2027 should be expect that 8 million benefit to come through in 2027, or would there be some lingering costs that's going to flow through the piano.

24:44

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

Yeah, no good question. So, as far as direct impacts to to adjust the even off, we would expect the benefits to start flowing through. In 27 and as early to Jeff, Jeff's question earlier, even starting to see that partially in the back half of this year so we'll start to see those benefits. We did, I did call out a 20 to 25 million dollar number for continued costs for closures.

That's right now our best estimate on cash costs as we look to buy out of the right leases that we can buy out that are a great ROI for us to buy out of. And, you know, based on the general carrying principles on that, we would see those not hit even off, but they would potentially a portion of that hit net income as we go through so we're working on those as we speak today. We'd like to get those finished up as soon as possible, but I did alluded to the fact that we just know with negotiations that some of that might flow into 27, but we're hoping to get it done as soon as we possibly can.

25:49

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Deutsche Bank

Got it, got it, understood. And then Tom just wanted to ask more about, you know, all of your efforts around strengthening the execution and the business. So, where would you say, I know it's early days, but where would you say you are and what have some of the focus areas been for you right now and what is there sort of are you at stage one and is there a second stage that's to follow and you know, how should we think about the impact of all of your efforts and when that sort of starts helping enrolled much in a more meaningful way.

26:21

Tom WyattChief Executive Officer

Good question, thighs. Obviously to turn 1600 centers is going to take some time. Although I can tell you that we have seen good progress in some of our centers that have eliminated a lot of that extracurricular distraction, if you will, more quickly than others. And so we see that in some of our centers. I would tell you that we're hoping to see some of that during back to school. We don't know how much yet, obviously, because we're literally two or three weeks into back to school.

But I hope is between back to school and the rest of the year, which as you know, we continue to grow enrollment all the way through the fourth quarter and into the first half of next year. So I hope is it continues to crescendo continues to improve over that period of time. And at the same time, we will continue to invest where it makes sense in additional pain search, if you will targeted marketing to continue that year over year increases inquiry.

27:31

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Deutsche Bank

Great. Thank you so much.

27:44

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Manau

Hi, this is Ronan Kennedy from Manau. Thank you for taking our questions. Previously discussed, you know, the quantiles, the opportunity regions remediation efforts and now obviously an acceleration of center consolidations. Can you just walk through again the specific criteria used to evaluate a center and determine whether it receives investment is remediated, consolidated, closed? I know I think you talked about 37% occupancy level.

Is there anything else from an enrollment trends, local supply, demand dynamics, labor, availability, pricing, anything else? If you could just walk us through that thought process.

28:22

Tom WyattChief Executive Officer

Yeah, that makes sense where you're going. I mean, look, as we looked at the fleet, we went through, we talked about this back in marks where we went through one by one and looked at every single one for, frankly, most of the things you're talking about there, right? The biggest one that we're really looking at is we have a pretty good feel on when we're building a new center, when we're acquiring a center, what we expect to have success with as far as demographics. And there's a number of demographics that go into there. And so we took a peek at that and qualified our portfolio against those same ones that got a much smaller subset of the centers that are like, we need to take a deeper dive on those.

And at that point, we weren't looking at anything else. We weren't looking at financial results. We weren't looking at engagement or anything there. From there, then we took it and looked at each one of those things. So to your point, we're looking at what our inquiry levels have been and what are the demographics looking at? We're looking at the center and where it's historically been, where it's financially been trending.

Frankly, you brought up labor, labor is really not an issue, almost anywhere. It's a day to day battle, but it's not something that's preventing us from growing ever. But really looked at all those individually and made some decisions center by center and what we needed to do. And then we're always looking at the kind of that drive time map of usually 10 to 15 minutes. And so we are all, we were looking at, is there any sister centers within that 10 to 15 minutes for any of those centers that we flag? It might make sense to do what we call a magnet center and be able to serve those families at a magnet center. And so that was a definitely consideration as well.

30:02

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Manau

Thank you. And then you need to keep up to 30 the optimization effort is done. Is there possibility for more to be done post FY26, because say there are centers with similar characteristics, but you think they could potentially improve, et cetera. Any risk of still further remediation validation next year.

30:25

Tom WyattChief Executive Officer

Yeah, I mean, closure. Yeah. Here's what I'd say. We, we historically, I'd say since 2014, at least, have always looked to close centers. We're running this business like a multi location business, while also making sure we're taking great care of our families and our teachers. But every year we're constantly looking at that. So I would anticipate we're still going to close more centers next year. And so we will still keep our pulse on that. And we're going to continue to see closures much like we have in the past as well.

30:58

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Manau

Okay. Thank you. And if I may, I'll ask another one. Can I just please reconfirm. If there's a sort of be clean enrollment trend. If you can comment to that. And the inquiry and conversion, you know, anything of no from an enrollment standpoint for the repaint portfolio.

31:15

Tom WyattChief Executive Officer

Yeah. So, right. We talked about that the quarter was down 240 basis points and the closure is not about a 70 basis point impact. Right. So we're still right around that down 3% kind of as clean as you can get it, if you will.

31:31

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Manau

Okay. Thank you.

31:31

Tom WyattChief Executive Officer

Of course.

31:35

Your next question comes from the line of Tony Kaplan with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

31:42

Toni KaplanAnalyst, Morgan Stanley

Thanks so much. I wanted to ask about the tuition reduction in the guide. I think you talked about it being related to state subsidies. Is that a timing issue or. Could you just maybe explain what's going on there?

31:55

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

Yeah. Is it timing, Tony? I don't think I would necessarily classify it as timing. Right. So as we go into the year and then go, you know, when we talk to you back. In May, we have certain expectations where state budgets are going to land and what they're going to do about it. It's still not 100% clear to us what all the states are going to do as far as tuition increases related to subsidy.

But at this point, based on what we know, we believe it's not going to come in quite as high as we were expecting to do in the first half of the year. Now, to your timing question, there is a potential that states make some different decisions and we do get some more monies related back to the later in the year and we'll update it as we go. But based on what we know today with our connections and knowing what the governments are thinking, that's why we chose to reduce that related to subsidy revenue.

32:56

Tom WyattChief Executive Officer

And Tony, the only thing I would say is, as you know, we've sort of reversed the trend in Indiana, which penalized us last year and we're seeing solid growth in Indiana at this point in time. All of our wind at our back. So we may gain it in one place and lose it in the other, but all in all this year has been a lot more stable than than was last year.

33:38

Toni KaplanAnalyst, Morgan Stanley

Understood. And wanted to ask about when you think about the back to school environment right now and the strategies that you're deploying, you know, we've talked in the past about the opportunity regions and marketing changes. Any anything else we should be thinking about that you're doing differently in the back to school market push this year?

34:05

Tom WyattChief Executive Officer

No, I would tell you that it's a focus on the marketing and that is a two-prong approach. We have a amount of marketing that's going throughout our 42 states now, not 41 to 42 states. Along with that, we have a target market marketed program in a number of states. We've actually increased that from the first half of the year. So all that should give us wind at our back. The other thing that we are just testing and it's new for us, Tony, but we work on a and have since adopted an executed and AI program that's helping us with the quality of the tour, quality of the interaction with the center director and new parents as they inquire for enrollment, which is showing us, quite frankly, in real time, the quality of the call, the quality of the follow up all the way through to enrollment.

And we are very encouraged, as is the field management team, about what that could do for us. And that's literally started just weeks ago. So more to come on that in the next call, but something that we are increasing exposure to right now.

35:17

Toni KaplanAnalyst, Morgan Stanley

Terrific. Really, really quickly, Tony, you mentioned a third quarter revenue range. I think we didn't catch it and it differs in the transcript. So just wondering if you could just repeat that range for 3Q. Thanks.

35:30

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

Yeah, so we're at 660 to 680 million per revenue, 44 to 48 million for adjusted even and occupancy in the mid 60s.

35:44

Toni KaplanAnalyst, Morgan Stanley

Thank you.

35:45

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

Of course.

35:48

Your next question comes from the line of George Tong with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

35:56

George TongAnalyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi, thanks. Good afternoon. You discussed the qualitative criteria that you use to select centers for consolidation. Can you quantify or estimate how many centers in your current retain portfolio have occupancy or profitability that's comparable to the centers that are being closed?

36:18

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

I don't have an exact figure for you there, George. Me like we shared out of the closures we've done so far about nine, nine out of 10 of them, right, are out of quintile five, a strong portion of the remaining ones that will do this year are also coming out at quintile five. So we're definitely exiting a, not, not a majority, not quite a majority yet, but a strong portion of those. And so we're definitely exiting some of our lowest performers and any ones that we have left. If they were at a level of occupancy similar, we are still keeping them because of demographic reasons, or potentially and most often it is a center director change or something like that, that we still see there is the ability to grow back.

But again, some of the questions I had earlier, those are going to be some of the centers that are on the top of our watch list that we're seeing if some of these actions that Tom's talking about will allow them to turn around.

37:16

Tom WyattChief Executive Officer

George, you should also know that we had a number of centers that graduated from the opportunity region this year, and we're really proud of that. We also added a couple back in. So I mean, we really are seeing movement in the opportunity region. And candidly, through this part of the year, it's been positive from a standpoint of successful turnaround. So we're encouraged by that. Not that we always won't have, we'll always have a quintile five that we're going to focus on.

But hopefully is improving as the mix improves itself.

37:53

George TongAnalyst, Goldman Sachs

Got it. That's helpful. And going back to a point that you just mentioned, for centers that you're looking to retain, even if it's in the lower quintiles, what improvement do you need to see and over what timeframe before you decide whether or not to continue remediation or pursue a closure.

38:15

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

Yeah, I mean, as you'd imagine, George, it's really a center by center determination, right. How long we've had that center, what least life's left, how much leases on are all some of the quantitative, just financial reasons we're looking at center director and deal time with that center, whether they're an opportunity region might give them a little bit more time. And then it's just trajectory we see, right. We've kind of always talked about getting to about 45 to 50% is generally break, even for a center.

And so as centers show trajectory to that and then hopefully pulling out of that, that gets them more ability to kind of buy themselves a little bit more time. So there's not a perfect equation for it, but we're obviously looking at those quantitative factors. And then the last one I just say, because we continue to say, and it's very true is we're engagement levels look look at because those generally trying to be a leading indicator.

So if we're seeing engagement levels increase and we'll do pulses mid year sometimes to get a check on those. If we're seeing them going the right direction, usually that's a leading indicator that things are to come.

39:18

Tom WyattChief Executive Officer

And one more thing just just on that subject, we look a lot at density. I mean, these centers are centers that are sometimes 30, 40, even 50 years old, and families have moved out of or migrated out of that area. So just density, if we have a high density and we're a low performer, then it's on us. But if we have a low density center, occupancy is low, inquiry is low, future enrollment doesn't seem to be there. That is on us to say, look, families have left this community is more mature and we need to find those families and move to where they are.

39:59

George TongAnalyst, Goldman Sachs

Very helpful. Thank you.

40:02

Your next question comes from the line of Josh Chan with UBS. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

40:10

Josh ChanAnalyst, UBS

Good afternoon, Tom. Tony. Thanks for taking my question. I guess on the centers that you decided to close, you know, in terms of how they got to the occupancy levels that they were. Would that primarily be be COVID? Like, is that the main reason you would think?

40:26

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

I don't think it's necessarily COVID, Josh, right? I mean, I guess we can all have a different interpretation of COVID and what that means.

I would say these were centers that pretty, you know, whatever time period you want to say. We're successful for us and they are doing well by us and some of them have been in the fifth quintile potentially, but still performing well in demographics have changed. So with some of those, would somebody say it's because of COVID, the demographic change potentially, but it's more just demographics generally to Tom's point have changed and the families just aren't there for us to serve anymore. And it was time to let him go.

41:04

Josh ChanAnalyst, UBS

Okay, that makes a lot of sense. And then maybe on guidance, I know that it's been asked a little bit earlier, but, you know, could you just bridge for us? Because why, as you close these unprofitable centers that instead of EBITDA going up by a portion of that 8 million that it goes down by 15 million? Like, I know there's some insurance in there and some costs, but just can you just bridge us. That difference, please. Thank you.

41:30

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

No, yeah, of course. So yeah, look, I mean, we, we called out the insurance things that that are impacting it. We did call out the kind of 3 million kind of one time cost related to disclosures that's definitely impacting it.

The reduction of tuition from three to two and a half is definitely impacting the downward trend of even as well. So we're definitely factoring in, you know, a portion of that 8 million run right we talked about in the back half as a reminder. Q1 and Q2 are generally our highest even out quarters. So we're not getting quite as much here in the back half out of that. So it numbers definitely in there. It's just a couple of other factors are working against us.

42:11

Josh ChanAnalyst, UBS

Okay. Thank you. Thank you for the time. Cool.

42:14

Tony AmandiChief Financial Officer

Thank you, Josh.

42:16

There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Tom Wyatt for closing remarks.

42:22

Tom WyattChief Executive Officer

Ben, thank you very much. And to all of you, thank you for your questions. Thank you for your sport. And we wish you a very good night. We are really, really proud of the progress we've made. I hope you see it. Hope you see the traction we have. I hope you look hard at the businesses, like Crem and at work business, which are both performing very nicely. And the trends, if you will, the new shoots, if you will, the green shoots within kind of care. So have a great night. We appreciate your interest and we look forward to talking to you next quarter.

42:56

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