Paccar (PCAR) Q2 2026 earnings call transcript

Transcript, summary, guidance, and what analysts pressed on from the Paccar call on July 28, 2026.

Held
July 28, 2026
Length
35 min
Tone
Confident0.82
Analysts
11
Words
5,632
Q3 truck deliveries
~42,000European shutdown offset
Q3 gross margin
14.5%Higher in Q4
2026 Parts sales growth
3-5%Tracking high end
Fleet services growth
8%Quarter over quarter
NCP per truck
$6,000-$7,000Proposed range
2026 capital investments
$700-$750 million
2026 R&D expenditures
$450-$480 million
US spot-rate growth
20%Contract rates up 6.5%

Summary

Management framed the quarter as an early recovery, with stronger utilization, production ramping, and EPA flexibility improving 2027 visibility.

Guidance

  • 42,000 Q3 truck deliveries, partially offset by European summer shutdowns
  • 14.5%14.5% Q3 truck parts and other gross margin, increasing further in Q4
  • 3-5% 2026 PACCAR Parts sales growth, tracking toward the high end
  • $700$700-750 million 2026 capital investments
  • $450$450-480 million 2026 R&D expenditures
  • 250,000 2026 US and Canadian heavy-truck market, with 145,000 units in the second half

What analysts pressed on

  • 01Gross margin drivers centered on volume, local-for-local production, favorable price-cost, tariffs, and operating execution.
  • 02Tariff refund quantification was declined; management expects the Q2 tariff position to remain similar in Q3.
  • 03EPA 2027 pricing and engine strategy pointed to $6,000-$7,000 non-conformance payments and current-engine sales.
  • 04Market recovery cadence focused on inventory uncertainty, customer replacement cycles, and expected 2027 strength.
  • 05PACCAR Parts growth was described as broadening across large, small, and mid-sized fleets, with no Q3 guide provided.
  • 06Competitor credit strategies were not quantified; management said the proposed penalty structure broadly levels competition.

Notable disclosures

  • A few hundred US trucks were undelivered because supplier constraints emerged as production ramped.
  • Build slots could sell out within two months, creating carryover demand into 2027.
  • 90%The market was described as approximately 90% full for 2026 despite production ramping as quickly as reasonable.
  • Non-conformance payments would be passed through without margin benefit, according to management.
  • PACCAR has no current plans to remove drivers from its autonomous vehicle platform.

Risks raised

  • Supplier constraints may temporarily limit deliveries as production increases.
  • EPA non-conformance payment levels remain preliminary and could change during the comment period.
  • US market outcomes still depend on how much inventory customers and dealers hold.
  • A higher fleet mix and lower vocational mix constrain Q3 margin progression despite higher deliveries.
  • Freight tonnage is increasing only modestly, although management considers the index elevated.

Tone: Confident 0.82

Management expressed strong confidence in improving utilization, production, margins, parts demand, and a stronger 2027 truck market.

Who spoke

Company

  • Ken HastingsInvestor Relations
  • President FightPresident
  • Kevin BaneyChief Executive Officer

Analysts

  • Steve VolkmannAnalyst, Jefferies
  • Jerry RevichAnalyst, Wells Fargo
  • Tami ZakariaAnalyst, JP Morgan
  • David RasoAnalyst, Evercore
  • Chad DillardAnalyst, Banstein
  • Kyle MengesAnalyst, Citi
  • Jamie CookAnalyst, Truist Securities
  • Steven FisherAnalyst, UBS
  • Angel CastilloAnalyst, Morgan Stanley
  • Scott GroupAnalyst, Wolfe Research
  • Rob WertheimerAnalyst, Melius Research

Full transcript

Analyst questions are marked with a bar. Timestamps are into the recording.

Prepared remarks

00:00

Good morning and welcome to PACCAR's second-quarter 2026 earnings conference call. All lines will be in the listen only mode until the question and answer session. Today's call is being recorded and if anyone has an objection they should disconnect at this time.

00:11

Ken HastingsInvestor Relations

I would now like to introduce Mr. Ken Hastings, PACCAR's Director of Investor Relations. Mr. Hastings, please go ahead. Good morning and welcome to PACCAR's second-quarter 2026 earnings conference call. All lines will be in listen only mode. My name is Ken Hastings, PACCAR's Director of Investor Relations, and joining me this morning are President Fight, Chief Executive Officer Kevin Baney, President and Bryce Popoloski, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Certain information presented today will be forward-looking and involve risk sentences that may affect expected results. For additional information, please see our SEC filings and the Investor Relations page of PACCAR. com. I would now like to introduce President Fight.

01:05

President FightPresident

Hey, thanks Ken. Good morning everyone. In the second-quarter PACCAR's outstanding employees did an excellent job of increasing production to provide our customers with the highest quality trucks and transportation solutions in the industry. Their hard work, high performance and dedication is enabling PACCAR to continue increasing build rates in our factories around the world. PACCAR's second-quarter revenues were 7.5 billion dollars and that income was 752 million, an increase of 24 percent from the first quarter.

These results were driven by strong truck division performance. PACCAR parts performed well and achieved record quarterly revenues of 1.75 billion dollars and quarterly pre-tax income of 417 million. PACCAR financial also performed well achieving pre-tax income of 124 million dollars.

Now, looking at this year's US and Canadian heavy truck market, the US economy is growing and the truck market is strengthening as freight rates have increased and regulatory clarity has been provided. First half retail sales were 105,000 trucks and we expect that the second half could be around 145,000 resulting in a full-year market size of around 250,000 units.

In Europe the economy is growing modestly and the truck market is healthy. We project the 2025th European above 16 ton market size to be around 310,000 trucks. Dost premium trucks are providing customers with the latest technology and the best operating efficiency.

This year's South American above 16 ton market where doff trucks are desired by customers for their durability and advanced technology is expected to be in the range of 100 to 110,000 vehicles.

In the second quarter PACCAR's truck deliveries increased from 33,000 to 38,700. Third quarter deliveries are estimated to grow and be around 42,000 as build rate increases are partially offset by the normal European summer shutdown period. PACCAR's truck parts and other second quarter gross margins increased from 13.1 percent to 14.4 percent due to very good overall performance.

Third quarter margins are forecast to be a strong 14.5 percent and then further increase in the fourth quarter. PACCAR's exceptional range of trucks compelling parts business, industry leading financial services and customer focused product development strategy positioned the company well for an excellent second half of 2026 and future. Kevin will now provide an update on PACCAR parts financial services and other business highlights. Kevin.

04:14

Kevin BaneyChief Executive Officer

Thank you Preston. PACCAR parts achieved record second quarter revenues of $1.75 billion and good profits of $417 million. Gross margins increased to 29.8 percent. Increasing truck utilization is beginning to lead to more parts and service activity and we expect higher part sales growth in the second half. Revenue from PACCAR parts fleet services program grew 8 percent in the second quarter which is an indicator that customers are beginning to increase parts purchases. For the full year we estimate part sales growth in the range of three to five percent. PACCAR financial services pre-tax income was a robust $124 million.

Their high performance is a result of steady finance margins and strengthening used truck markets. Earlier this month the EPA clarified a key NOx related emissions regulation. The clarification extends the timeline to introduce 35 milligram NOx engines. Next year customers will be able to buy the current generation of engines with an associated non-conformance fee. This will be beneficial for customers as it will ensure new technology is fully validated before being purchased by customers. It's also likely to have a positive impact on the size and strength of next year's truck market. This year PACCAR is planning capital investments in the range of 700 to 750 million dollars and R&D expenditures in the range of 450 to 480 million.

PACCAR is investing in customer focus technology and innovation projects including advanced flexible manufacturing that enhances efficient local for local production. The development of next generation clean diesel engines, industry leading hybrid and electric power trains, and integrated vehicle connected vehicle services. We are looking forward to the success that our customers, dealers, and PACCAR will experience in the coming quarters and years.

06:26

President FightPresident

We are now pleased to answer your questions. Thank you.

06:36

We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question and if you're muted locally please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Steve Volkmann from Jeffries. Steve your line is open please go ahead.

Questions and answers

07:15

Steve VolkmannAnalyst, Jefferies

Thank you. Good morning everyone.

07:15

President FightPresident

Hi Steve.

07:19

Steve VolkmannAnalyst, Jefferies

Morning. I'm wondering if we can dive in on the gross margin. I think this quarter came in a bit stronger than you had expected. What are the moving parts that would explain that?

07:31

President FightPresident

Sure. There's a couple of things. Thanks for the question. Probably one of the things is volume of trucks was higher and then most significantly I think our local for local production is benefiting PACR. I also think that the team did a fantastic job and cost controls or price versus cost was favorable for us even more than we thought it would be so that was also positive. Those are the biggest majorities of what influenced it and as I said local for local production provide some tariff benefits to us.

07:59

Steve VolkmannAnalyst, Jefferies

Okay great and what are you seeing in the market relative to pricing because you have a little bit more I guess for local than some of your competitors are you seeing overall pricing kind of coming up in the market which gives you some opportunity?

08:23

President FightPresident

Yeah I think what's happening in the general market is our customers are starting to experience better operating conditions for themselves. Spot rates are up 20%, contract rates are up six and a half percent so we're seeing favorability for how they're operating their businesses. I have become a little bit more constrained which is helping them realize operating benefits and I think we all share in that together so we've seen some some favorability in terms of how we're able to price trucks as we look forward.

08:51

Steve VolkmannAnalyst, Jefferies

Great thank you guys.

08:51

President FightPresident

Have a great day Steve.

08:59

Your next question comes from the line of Jerry Revich from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

09:07

Jerry RevichAnalyst, Wells Fargo

Yes hi good morning good afternoon everybody. Hi the profit for truck performance was especially strong in the quarter. I'm wondering was there any refund benefit or anything along those lines that contributed to the really strong cost improvement?

09:27

President FightPresident

You know I think if you look at that performance it was largely driven from a net price cost benefit and the biggest part of that was really the team's operating effectiveness and good warranty performance by the team, efficiency for the local for local but we did have a net tariff benefit. We had some tariffs so we have to pay of course with the raw material stuff and then we had some offset tariffs but the net was the bigger part of it was really operating strength.

09:56

Jerry RevichAnalyst, Wells Fargo

Thank you for the color is it possible just to quantify the the refund that you saw in the quarter just to put a finer point on the run rate profit per truck?

10:06

President FightPresident

No we didn't put that out and we think that it'll be remained strong so we think that the tariff position we had in the second quarter will look similar to the third quarter.

10:16

Jerry RevichAnalyst, Wells Fargo

That's really great to hear and then you know what we had been hearing until the EPA's new ruling was that you folks for the fourth quarter deliveries were pulling back discounts and so the price realization was set to improve by over five thousand dollars in the fourth quarter versus the third quarter. You can just update is that still happening considering the more phased approach to the EPA 27 rollout?

10:38

President FightPresident

I think the EPA is in a very nice job in paying attention to what the industry's needs are. I appreciate the work the administration has done in helping make sure we put fully validated products out into the marketplace so it's been nice to work with the ATA and the customers and the administration to put a government business relationship in place that work is working well.

I think what they did is they took not all of the pre-buy but they kind of smooth it and I think it creates a stronger position for 2027 to be a good market for the industry and so I think that's kind of how we experience in that and if it's a good market for our customers then it tends to be a good market for us as well.

11:18

Jerry RevichAnalyst, Wells Fargo

Thank you.

11:18

President FightPresident

You bet.

11:18

Jerry RevichAnalyst, Wells Fargo

Have a great day.

11:27

Your next question comes from the line of Tammy Zakaria from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

11:35

Tami ZakariaAnalyst, JP Morgan

Hey, good morning. Congrats on excellent results. Two questions. The first one is on the growth margin guide for the third quarter. It seems like you're expecting somewhat sequentially spladdish growth margin despite deliveries being higher and North America probably being a higher mix given the shutdowns in Europe. So what underpins that margin guide? Why wouldn't margin be better sequentially? Is there any cost head when you're expecting in the third quarter that you didn't have in the second quarter?

12:10

President FightPresident

You know, the great question, Tammy, thanks for asking. There's a couple things to factor one you're fully aware of, right, which is that as truck increases it has a ratio mixed to parts and that increase has an impact. So that's why it's around 14.5%. And there also happens to be in the third quarter we're probably the mix of our actual trucks we're building is shifting a little bit. So maybe a little less locational, a little bit more fleet trucks that we're building. So put those two things together and we stay with the strong margin but the nice thing is with the higher build we see profit increasing in the quarter and continuing to strengthen through the year.

12:50

Tami ZakariaAnalyst, JP Morgan

Got it. That is helpful. And then my second question is on the Knox compliant engines. If I remember correctly, you expected that to be probably 8 to 10k more expensive than a non-compliant one. But with the NCPs that have been announced, it seems like the fine could be lower than the cost of a compliant engine. Just wanted to know if that's how you interpreted it and if so how could that impact your customer behavior next year when the EPA and Knox regulation goes into effect. Good question.

13:26

President FightPresident

Good question. I think a lot of information came out just as recently as July 9th on that when the EPA and the announcement. It's still preliminary. It's a notice of proposed rulemaking. So there's still a comment period that we're in. So things could even change from here. We'll have to see what that looks like. We probably won't get a final answer too much later in the year. But the way it's currently proposed is we would expect to see NCPs running at something like six to $7,000 range per truck. And as you noted, the cost of fully compliant 35 milligram engines would likely be higher than that. But I think a lot of what went into the discussion was the desire to make sure that the engines from all the manufacturers and engine companies were fully validated.

And the customers had enough time with them. That was a big portion of what happened here. So I think the result of that is as shared earlier means that the end of the year will improve. And then I think it bodes well for a good 2027 operating condition for the customers and for us.

14:32

Your next question comes from the line of Rob Orthimer from Amelia's research. Please go ahead.

14:51

Rob WertheimerAnalyst, Amelia's research

Thank you. Preston, you just touched on this. I think maybe Kevin did earlier, but the EPA shift or proposed rule may benefit 2027 a bit. And my question is a bit of a soft one. But when you talk to customers now, are people pre-buying or do they just need trucks? There's a couple things that maybe tighten up fleet dynamics. And so I'm curious about maybe it's a soft question, but what people are buying for. And then in the 27, those comments are around a continued pre-buying or more just that people have confidence in the engine and are trying away from it. Thank you.

15:25

President FightPresident

Yeah, sure. Good question. Good to think through that a little bit. I think part of what's happening is they've been in a tough operating condition. Our customers may give them a better tough operating condition for a few years now. That meant they've been careful with capital. They've probably kept trucks longer than they would have wanted to. And you can see that especially as a pronounced first half of this year, we're really showed up in 105,000 trucks of retail. I think that now what's happening is they're trying to get back into their normal operating models. The trucks we're building today are the most fuel-efficient trucks we've ever built. So they're very helpful to the customers to operate them, the driver environments, the best it's ever been, the engine performing, the best they've ever performed.

So we have a great product line about there. And I think that since they have the operating capital to use, they'd like to be using those trucks. Since they're just starting to do that, it seems like it's going to ramp through this second half. Like I said, probably 145,000 retail second half. And then I think we should expect a very healthy market in 27.

16:25

Rob WertheimerAnalyst, Amelia's research

Okay. Thank you. And then just DPA, does that advantage any of your competitors more through sort of credits? Is that any headwind to market share or price in 27? I'll stop there. Thanks.

16:40

President FightPresident

Well, actually, I think that the maybe the situation is very leveling now and maybe to our advantage a little bit in that the NCPs are allowing everybody to make sure we get the right products out there validated. So the customers get the experience with the products, they'll get the experience with our products and the quality of product we'll introduce in a more gradual way versus a being step changed. But the fine level, if we look at the shape of the curve for the fines for most manufacturers, they may be all manufacturers, as it's currently written, the fines going to be in that six to seven thousand range if they choose to offer today's products.

And so that kind of levels it out also.

17:17

Rob WertheimerAnalyst, Amelia's research

Thank you.

17:24

Your next question comes from the line of David Rasso from Evercore, S-I-I-S-I. Please go ahead.

17:31

David RasoAnalyst, Evercore

Hi, thank you. Your comment's about 27. Can you take us through your thoughts right now when you're speaking to your suppliers about the cadence 4Q into 1Q? And then second question on the parts business. Can you help us get a little more comfort with the parts growth exiting 26? Obviously, the back half of the years has to step up a little bit.

Just trying to think that through and not to give 27 parts guidance, but just how to think about that growth rate exiting 26 as we think about 27. Thank you.

18:06

President FightPresident

Thanks, David. I'll take the first one and then Kevin can cover the parts one. We can add anything you want. So the first one too. The quarterly cadence of the market is as I kind of was just describing with Rob. I really see that the markets ramping up were certainly full through the third quarter, mostly full for the year, probably like 90% full for the year, even as we're ramping up production at a rate that's as quick as is reasonable to do. So that's kind of limiting the market size a little bit right now. So we will sell out of build slots, probably in the next month or two here. And as we're out of build slots, then I think they'll be carry over into 2027.

And then I think because of the way the EPA implemented this approach, it'll allow people to have the product they want next year, which I think they'll be in a good operating condition. And so it'll help the cadence of the year next year start strong and probably be strong through the year.

18:56

Kevin BaneyChief Executive Officer

And just to add to what Preston said, Packer was the first to announce build rate increases earlier in the year. And so a lot of strong communication with the supply base on the rate of increase throughout the year. So feel pretty good about the support we're getting at the elevated build levels. And then on the part side, David, the parts will grow at a faster rate in the second half based on the strength of the truck market. You know, capacities come out, utilization is increased, freight rates have increased. We're seeing customers buying more parts now. A good indicator is that the larger customers are buying through a fleet services program. We've seen an 8% increase quarter over quarter.

And then also Europe is running strong. And so as we see the stronger truck market, second half of this year and into next year, we were confident with the parts growth.

19:50

David RasoAnalyst, Evercore

Thank you.

19:58

Your next question comes from the line of Chad Dillard from Banstein. Please go ahead.

20:07

Chad DillardAnalyst, Banstein

Hey, good afternoon, guys. It's a question for you on EPA 27. So not compliant is about $67,000. If you did comply with 35 milligrams plus $10,000. So assuming the EPA rules hold, how does that change your product strategy?

20:26

President FightPresident

So will you stick with the 200 milligrams product and just pass that extra cost on the customers? Or are you thinking with going as planned with a 35 milligram product?

Great question. We are planning on selling the current product to our customers. That's the engagement we've had with many, many customers is that that's their preferred approach is to ease into this thing. So both for our excellent PACR engines and our partner's engines Cummins, and the plan is to begin 2026 selling those engines and then getting our customers' experience with the 35 milligram engines as the year progresses. But as you noted, if the numbers stay where they are and at 6,000 to 7,000, they're still an advantage for them in taking the current product. So that's kind of how we think the year shapes up, which is I think favorable for the industry. I think it's a great approach for the industry.

21:23

Chad DillardAnalyst, Banstein

Okay, great. And the second question is coming back to tariffs and just to be clear, the IEPA refund, was there anything in TQ or through the rest of the year? And then secondly, assuming the rules stay where they are today, how do we think about the year-and-year comps as we're trying to think through the bridge to 2027 for tariffs?

21:46

President FightPresident

Yeah, I think that the tariff situation has become a little bit more clear, Chad, and that 232 is durable. There doesn't seem to be any real challenge to that. I think it is favorable for PACR in that our teams, as we shared previously, but I've been in all of our factories just in the last month. And I just can't tell you how cool it is to see those great people building every model of truck in the factories in Ohio and in Texas in a way that's supportive to the approach of the administration of building local for local. So great job on that. That gives us a stable tariff operating environment, I think. So looking at that, and yeah, there's a little bit IEPA benefit in two, but that'll carry forward in three, and the bigger effect of tariffs really ends up being the 232 as you look forward into next year.

22:29

Chad DillardAnalyst, Banstein

Thank you. Great.

22:37

Your next question comes from the line of Kyle Mengas from City Group. Please hold. Please go ahead.

22:47

Kyle MengesAnalyst, Citi

Great. Thank you. I was hoping just if we could hone in on margins a little bit, maybe as we get into 2027, I mean, you sound a little bit more confident in volumes and then easing into the new truck platform, I guess in 2027, new engine platform. And I'm just curious how you're thinking about margin ramifications. Maybe as you start with selling 2026 engines in the first half of next year, but then start to produce on the new engines and just how to think about margin impact as you do that.

23:23

President FightPresident

Yeah, I think that the NCPs that will be out there are fees that will be paid to the government. So that's a straight pass through for us. And that's how we would look at that. So it really shouldn't have any effect on margin. We're not going to try to make a profit on those penalties. That's just a pass through. But we think the strength of the market will be good for PACR in the 2027, should do great. And we think that the, again, the allowance to sell the current model of your products throughout next year, which is a distinct possibly what we'll do with an introduction of 2027, feels really good. It really gets the right approach and should be positive, Kyle.

24:02

Kyle MengesAnalyst, Citi

Got it. And then also on parts, I mean, it sounds like maybe some of the larger fleet customers contributing more to the parts demand this year or so. Just curious, as you see, the over-the-road market come back and maybe a recovery become more broad-based and see more demand pick up from small and mid-sized fleets. Just how to think about parts, margins, maybe as that mix within the customer-based shifts a little bit. I mean, I would imagine maybe small mid-sized fleets that be buying more TRP parts, which I think come at a lower margin. So just how to think about that.

24:42

Kevin BaneyChief Executive Officer

Yeah, Kyle. So the reference to the fleet services was a good indicator for the large fleets. But we're also seeing the increase in the small to mid-sized as well. And it's just a reflection of the utilization picking up across the industry. So that's good. We're also seeing an increase in our TRP part sales as well. So I think those are all strong indicators of improved part sales. And then just on the margin side, we still have the newest truck platforms in the industry with strong proprietary content, the engine business as well. And so I think we talked earlier calls about the focus on service-only required maintenance. And as the truck side improves, I think we'll just see all indications improve on the part side as well.

25:31

Kyle MengesAnalyst, Citi

Well, thank you. Great.

25:31

Your next question comes from the line of Jamie Cook from Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

25:42

Jamie CookAnalyst, Truist Securities

Hi. Good morning, your time and congrats on a nice quarter. I guess my first question, the delivery surprise to the upside relative to your guide, but US and Canada was down, which I guess I was surprised by. I think you implied every region should be up. So what's driving that? And within the 42,000 deliveries in the third quarter, what are you expecting for US and Canada? And I guess pressed in its sort of dovetails into the margins because the margins were very impressive with US and Canada down. I always thought that was one of your more profitable regions. So correct me if I'm wrong.

And then I guess my second question on the third quarter margins you mentioned mixed like a little more fleet, a little less vocational. Can you just help us understand what you're seeing across TLL, TLL, and vocational in terms of like the order book and is fleet being hired just a function of demand improving their or is there something more negative happening on the vocational side? Thanks. I know there's a lot in there. Wow, Jamie, that was a lot.

26:44

President FightPresident

Let me try to work from the back of it to the front. You're right. There is some mixed shift and it's not about really anything other than the fleets and the truckload carriers increasing their demand in the in the in the months we're in now and looking forward. So that's probably the biggest thing that's affecting the margin there and that from a build mixed standpoint, if I just take it more generically, I would say that we did have a few hundred trucks that we didn't even deliver in the US. That's probably a difference in the US. So we saw just from some supplier constraints that we're starting to experience as the market ramps up. And so we think those will come through in the quarter and we do expect healthy demand improvement or not even demand but delivery improvement in the US markets.

And then we had good European performance. The team did a great job there in the quarter. And so I think you put the strong US performance, the increasing truck market in the US, the strong European performance. They were all factors in it. They all came together well. And we think that will continue.

27:41

Jamie CookAnalyst, Truist Securities

Thank you.

27:41

President FightPresident

Yeah, you bet. If I missed something there, feel free to jump in on that because there was a lot.

27:49

Jamie CookAnalyst, Truist Securities

You did a great job. I'm good. Thanks.

27:55

President FightPresident

All right. Take care, Jamie.

27:58

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Fisher from UBS. Please go ahead.

28:07

Steven FisherAnalyst, UBS

Thanks. Good morning. Just on the the US, Canada retail outlook sounds like you're centering around 250,000 there. Just curious with half the year to go. Just why not narrow the range at all?

28:20

President FightPresident

Are there still scenarios where you think you could reasonably say either the 230 or the 270 N? You know, I think that we left it that way, but it's really calling a midpoint at 250. I think the question still centers out around inventory and what happens with inventory and that because I think we have a great understanding of what build is going to be. And now it's just what happens with inventory.

28:40

Steven FisherAnalyst, UBS

Okay. Makes sense. And then I'm not sure if I missed it on the part side relative to that new 3 to 5% range for the year Q3. Are we thinking that it will sort of be at the low end of 3 to 5 or somewhere in between anything specific if I missed it on Q3 guide for parts?

28:58

Kevin BaneyChief Executive Officer

Yeah, we didn't provide Q3 guide, but seeing what I'll add is that we did see sequential growth in the Q2 as we went through the quarter. And so that's why I just called it the 3 to 5 for the second half. I think we'll see growth continue throughout the back half of the year. But I don't think we think it's at the low side of that range. I think we think it's the high side of that range.

29:25

Steven FisherAnalyst, UBS

Okay. Perfect. Thank you.

29:31

Your next question comes from the line of Angel Castillo from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

29:39

Angel CastilloAnalyst, Morgan Stanley

Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question.

29:42

President FightPresident

Preston, I just wanted to go back to the discussion around the EPA 27. I think the 27 dynamic for Unit 12 makes sense, but specifically to the ability to use credits to sell or to get the ability for some competitors to ultimately sell the current engine at no incremental penalty. And then maybe, you know, to the extent that there is any implications of that, I guess, what are the impacts on potential for passing through price next year on the new engine or just competitive dynamics on price? Yeah, Angel, I don't tend to want to talk about what other competitors are going to do from their strategies. I can just kind of see what the public qualifications are out there.

And I know where people to engines are qualified and so what we see is if the engines are qualified at today's level, then the penalties are going to be in that six to seven thousand range for kind of everybody.

30:38

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30:46

President FightPresident

We will now resume the broadcast. So Angel, if you're still there, I hope you could hear the answer. If not, let me know and we'll come back through it.

31:03

Angel CastilloAnalyst, Morgan Stanley

All right, perfect. All right, thank you. Yeah, I guess just maybe switching gears a little bit, wanted to ask a separate one. A little bit bigger picture and more technology. I guess I noticed one of your partners or I had launched, you know, a second generation hardware and driverless freight routes with a different OEM partner. So just give us an update on how, you know, some of your partnerships with our care, progressing, you know, how you see that evolving over time, just any kind of plan to to start kind of approving driverless, you know, operations or just what your strategic kind of, you know, approach here is going to be on some of the autonomous innovation.

31:41

President FightPresident

Packard's developing its autonomous vehicle platform. We're really happy with the progress we're making that. We have good partners in Aurora, Stac, Kodiak, and the others that we work with. So we feel good about the progress we are making on that and significant. We have no plans to take the driver out at this point in time.

32:02

Angel CastilloAnalyst, Morgan Stanley

I wish I thank you.

32:02

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Group from Wolf Research. Please go ahead.

32:14

Scott GroupAnalyst, Wolfe Research

Okay, thanks. Afternoon. So all we keep hearing from truckers is supply driven cycle, rates are going up a lot, but demand sort of stable drivers, fewer drivers.

Is that change the way you think about what an up cycle could look like in terms of where orders and builds can go? Are you hearing about fleet growth or do you think that's less likely now in the sort of supply driven tightening? Yeah, great question.

32:43

President FightPresident

I think that if you just look at it in general, while freight tonnage index is increasing only modestly, it's at a high level. So it's not as if there's not a lot of freight being hauled out there. And I think with the GDP growth that the US is experiencing, that's positive because as we all know, over 70% of the freight is moved by trucks. So as the economy grows, the truck grows.

And I think that the reshoring and local for local efforts that are happening in the industrial base right now are good for trucks and especially good for pack R. So I think all of those things give us confidence in where the market should head towards in the coming year or two here.

And then just lastly, I've got one very short term and then one longer term. Mechanically, if someone placed in a, that near mind was a pre-buy for delivery in 26, like, are they able to now push that to 27? Are you seeing that? And then maybe just my longer term like thought, like, as we enter an up cycle, like, where do you think ultimately gross margins can get too relative to where they've been in prior cycles? Yeah, I think, you know, what we think is that there was many of many people thought that there would be a huge pre-buy at the end of the year. And I think that what we kind of expect now is with the smart maneuver, the smart positioning that the EPA did, it'll be just a continued improved cycle through the balance of the year with a stronger 2027 and not much drop off.

And that feels pretty positive to me. And as far as the margins longer term, I think, you know, we've done a good job of investing in the right products so that our team has produced the best trucks that can be built. And I think we're building in the right locations. So that's also positive for margin. And we feel good about the company's short, mid and long-term performance. Thank you. You bet.

34:41

At this time, there are no further questions in the queue. Are there any additional remarks from the company?

34:46

President FightPresident

We'd like to thank everyone for joining the call, and thank you, operator Jade.

34:54

Thank you as well. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes PACCAR's earnings call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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