Reliance (RS) Q2 2026 earnings call transcript

Transcript, summary, guidance, and what analysts pressed on from the Reliance, Inc. call on July 23, 2026.

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Summary

Management framed the quarter around stronger customer demand, tight domestic supply and the border-wall contract’s early contribution, while stressing seasonality and metal-cost distortions.

Who spoke

Company

  • Kim OrlandoInvestor Relations
  • Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer
  • Stephen KochChief Operating Officer
  • Arthur AjemyanChief Financial Officer

Analysts

  • SatishAnalyst, Bank of America
  • Samuel McKinneyAnalyst, KeyBanc
  • Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, KeyBanc
  • Timna TannersAnalyst, Wells Fargo
  • Nick CashAnalyst, Goldman Sachs
  • Martin EnglertAnalyst, Seaport Research Partners
  • Bennett MooreAnalyst, J.P. Morgan
  • Katja JancicAnalyst, BMO Capital Markets

Full transcript

Analyst questions are marked with a bar. Timestamps are into the recording.

Prepared remarks

00:00

Greetings, and welcome to the RELIANCE, INC. second quarter, 2026 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. You may be placed into question and queue at any time by pressing star 1 on your telephone keypad. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star 0. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Kim Orlando, Investor Relations. Kim, please go ahead.

00:30

Kim OrlandoInvestor Relations

Thank you, Operator. Good morning, and thanks to all of you for joining our conference call to discuss RELIANCE's second quarter 2026 financial results. I am joined by Carla Lewis, President and Chief Executive Officer, Steve Cook, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, and Arthur Ojemian, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. A recording of this call will be posted on the investor section of our website at investor. reliance. com.

Please read the forward-looking statement disclosures included in our earnings release issued yesterday, and note that it applies to all statements made during this teleconference. The reconciliations of the adjusted numbers are included in the non-GAAP reconciliation part of our earnings release. I will now turn the call over to Carla Lewis, President and CEO of RELIANCE.

01:24

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss our second quarter 2026 results. RELIANCE delivered another excellent quarter, building on the positive momentum of the first quarter and the continued strong execution by our teams. Market conditions remain favorable, supported by improving customer activity, extended mill lead times, and strong pricing across our broad product portfolio. We achieved our second highest quarterly revenue, as well as record quarterly tons sold, and continued to outperform broader industry shipment trends. These results and our sustained industry outperformance reflect our scale, diversification across end markets, products, and value-add service offerings, and our position as a partner of choice with domestic mills. Non-residential construction and market sales remained strong, and we began to see meaningful improvements in our sales to the general manufacturing, aerospace, and semiconductor markets throughout the second quarter.

We also benefited from initial contributions from the U. S. Department of Homeland Security border wall contract that we were awarded earlier this year, generating activity in excess of our guidance and contributing meaningfully to our second quarter earnings. Steve and Arthur will speak about its financial impact later in the call. ELEVATED PRICING LEVELS, ALONG WITH STRONG EXECUTION BY OUR TEAMS, DROVE SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN OUR PROFITABILITY, INCLUDING A 40% YEAR-OVER-YEAR INCREASE IN NON-GAP PRE-TAX INCOME AND NON-GAP EARNINGS PER SHARE OF $6.27, OUR HIGHEST EPS RESULT SINCE THE SECOND QUARTER OF 2023. Trade policy continues to limit imports and support strong domestic pricing, which is further strengthened by extended lead times. Our longstanding domestic mill partnerships help ensure reliable material availability, allowing us to better serve our customers and capture new opportunities.

Our balance sheet and liquidity remain key competitive advantages supporting strategic growth investments and ongoing returns to stockholders, as well as disciplined capital deployment. For the full year 2026, our capital expenditure outlook remains approximately $300 million, with about half allocated to strategic growth investments to enhance processing capabilities, strengthen customer service, expand our footprint, and grow volumes in attractive markets. As customer optimism builds and activity continues to strengthen across infrastructure, including the border wall project, semiconductor, general manufacturing, and aerospace, RELIANCE remains exceptionally well positioned to capitalize on the many meaningful opportunities that we expect to continue to materialize throughout the second half of 2026 and into next year. I will now turn the call over to our COO, Steve Cook.

05:00

Stephen KochChief Operating Officer

Thanks, Carla, and good morning, everyone. Our second quarter performance reflects continued strong execution across our operations and our dedication to safety and exceptional customer service. We'll recognize our teams across the RELIANCE family of companies whose relentless focus and hard work fuel our industry-leading results and reinforce the many competitive advantages to set RELIANCE apart.

Turning to our demand and pricing trends. Record tons sold increased 7% from the prior quarter, and we're up 10.8% compared to the second quarter of 2025, significantly exceeding our expectations above 1% to 3% sequentially, and up 4.5% to 6.5% year over year. The sequential increase in our second quarter tons sold included a 5.1 percentage point contribution from the U. S. border wall contract. Carbon steel products continue to lead our tons sold growth. Aluminum and stainless steel products also contributed at higher per ton profitability levels.

Our second quarter average selling price increased 7.8% from the first quarter of 2026, exceeding our expectation of up 1.5% to 3.5%. This includes a 1.6 percentage point offset from the U. S. border wall project. as a result of higher shipment volumes of lower-priced products. Pricing for carbon steel and aluminum products continued upward amid constrained supply, extended lead times, and strengthening demand.

These market dynamics magnify the strategic benefit of our reliable access to metal from our domestic mill partners. Turning to our end markets, non-residential construction represented roughly one-third of our second quarter sales, primarily from carbon steel tubing, plate, and structural products. Second quarter shipments remain strong despite supply constraints, driven by sustained strong activity in data center and related energy infrastructure projects, alongside solid demand and heavy civil and public infrastructure work. Our participation in the U. S. border wall project further strengthened our presence in the non-residential construction market.

General manufacturing also represented about one-third of our second quarter sales. Our participation in this market is highly diversified across products, industries, and geographies. Shipments showed strong year-over-year growth driven by industrial machinery, including data center equipment, as well as shipbuilding, military, consumer products, and construction machinery.

Aerospace products accounted for approximately 9% of second quarter sales. We saw early signs of improvement in commercial aerospace supported by improving backlogs as OEM build rates increased, though elevated inventories persist. Defense and space-related aerospace activity remains strong during the quarter. Automotive, which we primarily serve through our toll processing operations, represented about 4% of second quarter sales. As a reminder, our toll processing volumes are excluded from our tons sold. Demand improved in the second quarter as our flexible toll processing operations quickly adapted to the variable demands of the automotive market.

Lastly, demand in the semiconductor market is showing clear improvement. We are seeing momentum accelerate, supported by increasing data center activities. In summary, RELIANCE continues to be distinguished by our people, our strong domestic-owned relationships, and our focus on delivering unmatched customer service. In addition, the strategic investments we've made across our footprint are generating tangible returns, and our disciplined commercial and operational approach continues to drive the market, that performance, and profitability that further differentiate us.

I will now turn the call over to our CFO, Arthur, to review our financial results and outlook.

08:59

Arthur AjemyanChief Financial Officer

Thanks, Steve, and thanks, everyone, for joining today's call. We delivered another strong quarter with sales increasing 27% year over year on stronger than anticipated shipment and pricing. Our second quarter gross profit of $1.3 billion was up 11% compared to the first quarter of 2026, and up 20% compared to the second quarter of 2025. On a FIFO basis which is how we evaluate our ongoing performance non gross profit margin expanded to 30 compared to 30 in the first quarter of 2026 down modestly from 30 in the prior quarter This includes a roughly 40 basis point margin headwind from the U. S. border wall project. However, as we are leveraging existing infrastructure, the project, the low company average operating cost per ton, more than offset its impact on gross profit margin, adding approximately 30 basis points to pre-tax income margin.

Higher than anticipated carbon and aluminum product costs caused us to increase our full-year LIFO expense outlook to $300 million from our prior estimate of $150 million. As a result, we recorded second-quarter LIFO expense of $112.5 million, significantly above our estimate of $37.5 million. Accordingly, we also expect a record LIFO expense of $75 million in the third quarter of 2026. At the end of the second quarter, the LIFO reserve on our balance sheet was approximately $700 million, which remains available to support future operating results and help mitigate the impact of future metal price declines. Aluminum was a notable driver of the LIFO expense increase, disproportionately affecting our LIFO gross profit margin relative to historical levels.

Higher aluminum pricing resulting from Section 232 tariffs without a corresponding increase in demand also continued to constrain LIFO gross profit margins. However, we are realizing higher gross profit per ton on aluminum sales and across our entire product portfolio as a result of the current pricing environment.

Non-GAAP SG&A expense increased 11% compared to the second quarter of 2025, driven by higher incentive compensation from improved profitability. Inflationary impacts on compensation and related benefits, freight and fuel cost inflation resulting from the U. S. -Iran conflict, and higher variable warehousing and delivery costs associated with our increased ton sold. On a per-ton basis, non-GAAP SG&A expense was flat due to favorable operating leverage from higher shipment volumes, including contributions from the U. S. Border Wall Project. Okay. Continued market share gains, higher shipment volumes, and increased gross profit dollars drove meaningful operating leverage, resulting in a 40% year-over-year increase in non-GAAP pre-tax income to $429 million. Our non-GAAP second quarter earnings for diluted share grew 42% year-over-year to $6.27, with the U. S. Border Wall Project contributing $0.41 per share.

LIFO expensive $1.64 per share for the second quarter exceeded the $0.54 estimate included in our guidance and $0.35 in the prior quarter. Moving on to our balance sheet and cash flow. Cash flow from operations in the second quarter improved sequentially to approximately $162 million, despite a significant working capital build from increased shipments and higher metal pricing. Our inventory turn rate, based on tons, improved to approximately 5.2 times compared to 4.8 times in 2025. Accounts receivable, DSO of approximately 42 days, remained healthy and consistent with the prior year.

During the quarter, we funded $93 million of capital expenditures and paid $64 million in dividends. We did not repurchase any shares of our issued outstanding common stock during the quarter and have approximately $529 million remaining available under our current share repurchase program. We remain opportunistic in our approach. Our total debt was $1.7 billion at the end of the second quarter. Our leverage position remains very strong, with a net debt to EBITDA ratio of 0.9, providing substantial liquidity and flexibility to execute on all of our capital allocation priorities.

Looking ahead to the third quarter, we expect demand and pricing to remain at healthy levels with continued improvement across several of the key products and end markets we serve, subject to ongoing risks from domestic and international trade policy in the U. S. -Iran conflict, as well as subject to normal seasonality. We anticipate third quarter 2026 non-GAAP earnings per diluted share in the range of $6.40 to $6.60, up 76% to 81% year-over-year, including an estimated $75 million of LIFO expense, or about $1.10 per diluted share. Please refer to our second quarter earnings release for further details on our Q3 outlook, as well as anticipated contributions from the U. S. Border Wall Project.

This concludes our prepared remarks. Thank you again for your time and participation. We'll now open the call for your questions. Operator?

Questions and answers

15:42

Thank you. And now we're conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to be placed into question queue, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing star 1. Our first question today is coming from Lawson Winder from Bank of America. Your line is now live.

16:12

SatishAnalyst, Bank of America

Yeah, hi, good morning. This is Satish on for Lawson. My first question is on the border wall contract. So the shipments are accounted for like 5.1% of Q2 volumes, and then you expect an additional 2% improvement in Q3. Is there potential for further upside to these volumes, or should we assume volumes to be fairly consistent through the remainder of phase one period? That's true mid-2027.

16:47

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, Satish, the volumes, as we mentioned, were stronger than we had anticipated. We just started shipping under the contract in April, and we did see the volumes ramp, and per the guidance we're giving that you just spoke about, yes, we expect higher shipments in Q3. We believe that's close to a full shipment, you know, run rate and should be close to that going through the middle of next year. Although, of course, it's all, you know, dependent on metal supply to us and how quickly our customer pulls the inventory from us. But I think you could assume for now that the Q3 guide will be sustained through the following quarters.

Okay, thank you. And in your opening remarks, you talked about the ability to capitalize on many meaningful opportunities that will continue to emerge in the second half and into 2027. And can you maybe provide a bit more color on what these opportunities are? Is there potential to add similar large government or infrastructure contracts in the near term?

I mean, the border wall contract is a very significant contract, so I don't know that there will be more of that size. However, we do want to highlight that we have the capability to do those types of large contracts or large orders. Just with the momentum we see from our customers, whether it's on the data center, the infrastructure side, the power side, military spending, there's just a lot of customer optimism. And I think RELIANCE is doing a better job of having our companies cooperate with each other to be able to provide a broader package to customers and make it easier for them to come to us as a solution for their multiple product needs And so we anticipate being able to support our customers when they desire it With reshoring there just a lot of positive momentum right now Okay.

19:27

SatishAnalyst, Bank of America

Thanks for taking my questions, and congrats on a great quarter. Thank you.

19:32

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Samuel McKinney from KeyBank Capital Market. Your line is now live.

19:41

Samuel McKinneyAnalyst, KeyBanc

Hi, good morning.

19:43

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Hey, Sam. Good morning.

19:45

Samuel McKinneyAnalyst, KeyBanc

Despite continued run-ups in carbon and non-ferrous pricing over the course of the second quarter versus the end of the first quarter, I'll say, your quarter-end inventory, you know, increased less than $100 million despite the $600 million increase in revenue. Could you talk about the inventory positioning moving forward, given that many of your orders are of that just-in-time variety?

20:09

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, Sam. Our inventory turn rate was a little above five times for the quarter, which is a little faster than typical. Our company-wide goal is 4.7 turns, but we're very comfortable with where our inventory position is. There is some limited supply, some supply constraints at some of the mills, but with our strong relationships, we're very happy with how our, you know, mill partners are treating us, and we're able to get the inventory we need for our customers. But, you know, inventory levels are, I think, probably a little lower across the industry right now.

20:55

Stephen KochChief Operating Officer

Yeah, and I also would add to that, Carl, is that our strategy of buying domestically, although lead times are extended, they're still a lot shorter than imports coming in. So, you know, based on our robust inventories and our access, we feel like we're still in a really good position to capitalize on, you know, the growing demand out in the marketplace.

21:14

Samuel McKinneyAnalyst, KeyBanc

Okay. Appreciate that. And then SG&A, as a percent of sales this quarter, is lower than it's been in a couple of years. With all the storage handling you're doing for the border wall contract, I think it'd be helpful for all of us if you could further discuss just the cost of service that contract versus the rest of your business.

21:14

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, KeyBanc

You know, the storage handling, obviously, much cheaper.

21:37

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, the SG&A costs, and as a percent of sales, the average sell price being significantly higher drives that down as a percentage.

We're still facing inflationary factors on different elements of our SG&A expense, resulting in higher dollars, but the elevated selling prices help to cover that. And on the border wall contract, you know, we're not – we are doing some value-add processing, but, you know, at a – I would say at a lower rate based on total tonnage that we're providing than the rest of the company. So that keeps the SG&A cost, you know, lower per ton for the volume going into the border wall.

22:28

Stephen KochChief Operating Officer

And Sam, I would add that, you know, since we're leveraging our vast existing infrastructure, that's what's truly allowing us to lower the variable costs on this project. Otherwise, you know, for anybody else to be able to take this on, they'd have to make significant investments in infrastructure, including facilities, equipment, et cetera. So, yeah, absolutely. The variable cost per ton is significantly lower than the company average, and hence the pre-tax margin accretion impact that we mentioned.

23:04

Samuel McKinneyAnalyst, KeyBanc

Great. Thank you.

23:08

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Tim the Tanners from Wells Fargo. Your line is now live.

23:13

Timna TannersAnalyst, Wells Fargo

Hey, good morning. I wanted to ask a little bit about the components of the product mix you have. So what you're seeing there, plate and seams seem particularly tight and prices have inched up further. Aluminum, at least LME, has retreated. How does that play out for your products and pricing into the second half? And then I have a follow-up, I guess, with more flat roll questions.

23:42

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, hi, Timna. Yes, beam and plate prices have seen strong increases. It's a tight market, and there's significant customer demand pulling that. So we're participating in those markets, as we always do, just at higher pricing levels, and I think a stronger pull on those products. And there was the, you know, aluminum price pullback, but from very high levels. And I would say, you know, from that standpoint, even though the price has pulled back a bit, it's still elevated pricing levels. We're making very high levels of gross profit dollar margin on the aluminum products we're selling, as well as beam and plate.

24:35

Stephen KochChief Operating Officer

Tim, I would add to Carla's comments. Based on our market position and beams and plate and some of our service centers that have been in this business for a long time, when supply gets a little bit tight, we get what we've been getting in the past years. You know, people don't like to use the word allocation, but when it is really tight, we get what we got in the past, and also, you know, when we need some favors or have, you know, some jobs that come up, we do get preferential treatment. So I would say that just the long track record really helps us in a market like this.

25:12

Timna TannersAnalyst, Wells Fargo

Okay, that makes sense. Thanks. On the flat route side, it does seem like lead times came down, came back up, depending on who you're looking at. Are you seeing evidence that the mills are starting to catch up with their, you know, lead times? What are you seeing on the flat rolled side? It seems like even if you're not importing, there's just quite a bit on the water. So just a little more color, that would be great.

25:36

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

We are not importing flat rolled, Timna. I would say that our average flat rolled order is about two weeks late, but with some mills, they're four to eight weeks late. We've not seen a whole lot of signs of our suppliers catching up, although they really are trying. to deal with the increased demand and some production challenges.

25:56

Timna TannersAnalyst, Wells Fargo

Great. And before I let you go, if I could, I don't have as much color on the other components, the stainless and alloy. What do you see in trend-wise there in terms of pricing and activity?

26:10

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

So for stainless, prices have stayed pretty steady. And then some specialty stainless where there's been an inventory glut that seems to be working itself off. And we think that the second half should show some increase in prices.

26:26

Timna TannersAnalyst, Wells Fargo

Thank you. Thank you.

26:32

Our next question today is coming from Nick Cash from Goldman Sachs from Lines Now Live.

26:38

Nick CashAnalyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi. Thank you all, and good morning. I just want to go back to the border wall real quick. I mean, you guys shipped about, you know, 85,000 tons in 2Q, and that's, you know, ramping up to call it maybe, you know, 120,000 tons in 3Q. In 2Q, you know, it added 30 basis points of pre-tax margin.

Should we expect that OPEX light structure to hold as you scale up shipments, or could there be any change there? Thanks.

27:05

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Nick. Yeah, we expect to hold at those levels and, you know, the higher volumes. make us probably a little more efficient with the tons going through, but those are good assumptions for the border wall contract.

27:25

Nick CashAnalyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay, thank you. And then just one more on carbon tubing, you know, that jumped from 9% to 12% quarter over quarter. Are you seeing, you know, the wall crowding out any potential commercial availability for tubing, or how are you counteracting that?

27:38

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Well, I would say that the increase in our product mix for the tubing is, you know, pretty directly attributable to the tens we're shipping under the border wall contract. And I think it, you know, from a market standpoint, it is consuming, you know, a good amount of product, but that helps support overall carbon pricing, especially for the tubing products.

28:08

Nick CashAnalyst, Goldman Sachs

Fantastic. Thank you. I'll pass it on. Thanks.

28:12

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Martin Englert from Seaport Research Partners. Your line is now live.

28:18

Martin EnglertAnalyst, Seaport Research Partners

Hello. Good day, everyone. I wanted to come back to a question in the release here. You noted potential supply availability as a headwind in non-residential construction, I believe. I just wanted to see could you provide some more color and then kind of what you're hearing from customers in the construction industry regarding potential project delays or cancellations due to supply and or higher metals prices?

28:46

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Hi Martin As we mentioned you know our volumes shipped have been strong but there is you know some as Steve just mentioned on an earlier question you know there is allocation so to speak on some of those products because demand has been so strong So that helps, you know, elevate the prices. But, you know, I don't think we've seen any significant project delays.

29:21

Stephen KochChief Operating Officer

No, we haven't seen any delays as far as I know. And when we say headwinds, our customers are growing, and they want us to grow alongside of them, and that's kind of our goal. But when there's such a demand, we try to make sure that we give them everything that they need, but we just don't have, you know, an unlimited amount. So, you know, I think that we're keeping up with our customer demand.

29:45

Martin EnglertAnalyst, Seaport Research Partners

Okay. And then a broader question about the industry. There's been some consolidation. Do you anticipate any increased competition from this, or rather, could it result in a situation where in the broader distribution processing industry in the United States is more disciplined when it comes to factors like price and margin?

30:09

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, so we're hopeful that it will create a more disciplined environment, you know, with fewer competitors. We hope that it takes one bidder, one competitive bidder out, hopefully, if they focus on more pricing discipline.

30:33

Martin EnglertAnalyst, Seaport Research Partners

Okay. I appreciate the caller, and congratulations on the results and the outlook. Thank you.

30:39

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Bennett Moore from J. P. Morgan. Your line is now live.

30:48

Bennett MooreAnalyst, J.P. Morgan

Good morning, Carla. Steve, Arthur. Thank you for taking my questions, and congrats on the strong quarter. Excluding the DHS contract contribution, shipments were guided down 2% to 4% quarter over quarter. I believe this is in line with what you've guided to 3Q on typical seasonality. I see that the commentary, the market commentary has been, you know, incrementally positive, and you continue to gain shares. So I guess I'm just trying to gauge, you know, what level of conservatism may be baked into that guide.

31:16

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Bennett, you're correct. That's kind of the typical seasonality. Also, to the extent that there is, you know, somewhat limited supply availability is also another factor in that. So, that's our, you know, best estimate at this time.

31:39

Bennett MooreAnalyst, J.P. Morgan

Okay, thanks for that. And then on the LIFO, expense came in a bit bigger than expected. I think you alluded that aluminum was proportionally a bigger driver there. But, you know, when you're pushing through price hikes last quarter on the steel side, that seemed to be supportive of margin expansion. So I guess I'm wondering, what was the breakout on the LIFO, aluminum versus carbon this past quarter? And are you seeing any steel buyers less willing to accept price hikes at these levels? I guess, given expectation pricing may be peaking somewhat soon.

32:15

Arthur AjemyanChief Financial Officer

Yeah, hi, Bennett. So, I mean, LIFO's – aluminum's disproportionate impact, when you look at our annual estimate, you know, it's roughly what, let's say, 17% of our sales, and it's contributing to about a third of our annual estimate. So out of the $300 million, roughly $100, as of now at least, is aluminum-related. And we've not really had, you know, dynamics like this before. As you know, aluminum pricing, you know, has nearly doubled, you know, like the pre-tariff levels, and the increases are much more significant. And you just don't have the same kind of supply and demand dynamics that you have on the carbon side. Now, you step back and say, you know, what kind of effect is aluminum having on overall profitability?

It's actually our gross profit per pound per ton is up significantly from a couple years ago, right? So even with the significant and outsized amount of LIFO contribution, now what it's doing is creating some distortion at the percentage level, right? And when you look at consolidated margins and compare aluminum impact, you know, on margins to where it is today from two years ago, before LIFO, it's roughly a 50 basis point compression. And you layer this outsized LIFO impact, that's another roughly 50 basis points. So aluminum alone is basically introducing roughly 100 basis point margin compression noise. Now, you know, on the flip side, though, one would assume that, you know, it's not contributing to higher profitability, but it's the exact opposite, right?

Our gross profit per unit and overall gross profit dollars are up significantly from, you know, a year or two years ago. So that's kind of the additional color on aluminum and impact on LIFO and margins.

34:32

Bennett MooreAnalyst, J.P. Morgan

Thanks for that, Arthur. I guess just on the last part of the question, though, I know the market's tight for carbon, but are you seeing any evidence of pushback from buyers at these levels, at these price levels?

34:43

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

I mean, as long as our customers can buy the product from us and put their fair markup on it and sell it to their end markets, they're okay right now. What we are seeing is a lot of our competitors with higher interest rates and higher cost of carrying inventory is there's a lot of holes in inventories. And our inventory levels are pretty robust. So I think that there's just great opportunity for us to capture more market share and help those customers who are having trouble getting a steal out in the marketplace.

35:14

Bennett MooreAnalyst, J.P. Morgan

All right. Thank you.

35:19

Thank you. Next question is coming from Katia Jancic from BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now live.

35:25

Katja JancicAnalyst, BMO Capital Markets

Hi. Thank you for taking my question. Maybe going back to the border wall, and I apologize if you already, I think last quarter you mentioned that the phase one of the project is affected to add about $1.4 billion in sales through mid-27. But in the past, or at one point, the discussion was that the total value of the contract could be over $2 billion.

Does that mean that the contract actually can extend beyond the mid-27, or how should we think about it?

35:57

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, that's correct, Katya. There's the phase one with the $1.4 billion through the middle of 2027, and then there's another roughly $800 to $900 million that is up to our customer to opt in for that. But it's not guaranteed. We believe that they will probably execute that extension for phase two, which would extend it beyond the middle of 2027.

But also, it just depends, you know, they can accelerate some shipments as well during the project phase. So we're just there to satisfy our customers' needs.

36:47

Katja JancicAnalyst, BMO Capital Markets

And then maybe on just kind of a broader question, are there any products within your portfolio that are currently harder to source than others or that you're having issues procuring?

37:00

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

I think at an overall level, again, because of our relationships with our domestic suppliers, I wouldn't say we're having issues getting metal, but some markets certainly are tighter than others, you know, such as beams is a little tight right now. Carbon plate, heat-treated aluminum plate with aerospace and semiconductor rebounding.

37:34

Katja JancicAnalyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, thank you.

37:36

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst

Thanks, Glenn. Thanks, Glenn.

37:38

Thank you. We reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Carla for any further closing comments.

37:47

Karla LewisPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks again to everyone for joining us today and your continued support of RELIANCE. And a special thanks to all of our employees throughout the RELIANCE family for staying safe and helping us generate such strong results. Before we conclude, I also want to mention that we'll be in New York in early September presenting at the Jefferies Industrials Conference, and we look forward to connecting with many of you at the event. Thanks, everyone, and goodbye.

38:20

Thank you. That does conclude today's webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time, and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.

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