Sequans Communications (SQNS) Q1 2026 earnings call transcript

Thank you, operator, and thank you to everyone participating in today's call. Joining me on the call from Sequence Communications are Georges Karam, CEO and Chairman, and Deborah Cho, CFO. Before turning the call over to Georges, I would like to remind our participants of the following important information on behalf of Sequence.

First, Sequence issued an earnings press release this morning, and you'll find a copy of the release on the company's website at www. sequence. com under the newsroom section. Second, this conference call contains projections and other forward-looking statements regarding future events or future financial performance and potential financing sources. All statements other than present and historical facts and conditions contained in this release, including any statements regarding our business strategy cost optimization plans, strategic options, the ability to enter into new strategic agreements, expectations for sales, our ability to convert our pipeline of revenue, and our objectives for future operations are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended.

These statements are only predictions and reflect current beliefs and expectations with respect to future events and are based on assumptions and subject to risks and uncertainties and subject to change at any time. we operate in a very competitive and rapidly changing environment new risks emerge from time to time given these risks and uncertainties you should not rely on or place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements actual events results may differ materially from those contained in projections of forward-looking statements more information on factors that could affect our business and financial results are included in our public filings made with the securities and exchange commission and now i'd like to hand the call over to george carron please go ahead george Thank you, David, and good morning, everyone.

I'd like to begin with a brief update on our capital allocation strategy, including how we are approaching the management of our digital asset holdings alongside the continued execution of our IoT semiconductor business. Our priority remains clear. We are focused first and foremost on executing our IoT strategy, scaling our product business and advancing our 5G roadmap in the disciplined way to create long-term shareholder value.

In parallel, we have continued to manage our Bitcoin holdings with a pragmatic and opportunistic approach. In light of current market conditions, we made the decision earlier this year to eliminate all debt-related risk by negotiating an early redemption agreement with our debt holder. This allows us to fully redeem the $94.5 million of convertible debt by June 1, 2026, funded through the sale of Bitcoin that had been held as collateral.

As of today, we have already redeemed approximately 62% of this debt, and the remaining balance will be redeemed in the coming weeks. By June 1st, we expect to have a near-debt-free balance sheet with at least 600 Bitcoin held as an encumbered asset.

Looking ahead, we do not intend to further pursue our treasury strategy. Instead, our objective will be to monetize these holdings over time in a disciplined manner, balancing market conditions with our broader capital needs. Importantly, we remain focused on maintaining a strong cash position to support operations, invest in our 5G IoT roadmap, and provide stability as we scale the business.

Turning now to the operational side of the business. Our IoT semiconductor business continues to demonstrate solid underlying momentum. For the first quarter, we generated $6.1 million revenue. This performance is broadly in line with our expectations and reflects continuous strength in product revenue, despite supply challenges, partially offset by variability in the timing of services revenue. looking ahead we continue to benefit from a strong backlog which provides good near-term visibility get on sorry guys so we looking ahead we continue to benefit from a strong backlog which provides good near-term visibility our order backlog continues to build with approximately 22 million dollar in revenue primarily product related already secured for the year along with early indications of orders extending extending into the first quarter of next year this provides us with increasing confidence in the trajectory of the business as we move through 2026 and confirms the healthy nature of our design wind pipeline and related KPI we track our full year outlook continues to be supported by an increasing number of design wind projects transitioning to production we entered the year with more than 300 million dollar in potential three-year product revenue from design wind projects.

Of these, 44% had already reached the production phase and are generating revenue. During the first quarter, three additional design wind projects transitioned into production, and we expect additional projects to follow in the second quarter. As a result, we continue to anticipate that more than half of our current design wind pipeline will be in production by the end of June, representing approximately $150 million in potential three years' revenue.

We are also seeing strong momentum with the new customer engagement. In the first quarter, we engaged more than a dozen new customer projects, with six already confirmed as design wins. these programs are expected to contribute to growth beginning in 2027 and beyond.

Our product pipeline remains primarily driven by our 4G, CAT-M, and CAT-1BIS technologies. It also includes our RF transceiver product, which supports a wide range of software-defined radio applications, including defense and drone use cases. In addition, we have initiated early engagements around 5G e-RAD CAP, which will be the future successor to 4G and cellular IoT deployments.

Smart metering, telematics, and asset tracking continue to represent our strongest verticals, followed by security, e-health and medical, and other industrial applications. turning now to product ramps and key drivers catam continues to be a meaningful growth driver in 2026 led primarily by asset tracking and smart metering deployments this business is scaling in line with expectation supported by strong visibility and steady ordering patterns as many catam design win projects are now in production with key customers deployment underway. Cat1Bis is positioned for a breakout year supported by multiple customer ramps across telematic, security, and some metering use cases. We are already seeing revenue contribution from several design wins with additional projects expected to enter production in the second half of the year.

We are also seeing incremental opportunities driven by current market dynamics, which are creating opening for sequins to gain share. In our RF transceiver business, we continue to see stable demand from existing customers, supported by committed backlog, and we expect additional contribution in the second half of the year. At the same time, we are engaging with a number of new prospective customers, particularly in defense and drone applications, and we expect to begin securing some of these opportunities in the near term.

We are also advancing discussions around licensing and collaboration opportunities, which could further expand the reach of our RF portfolio. more broadly our product pipeline continues to mature with several design wind programs progressing toward production we are also seeing a new generation product opportunities with existing customers which provide incremental upside with our installed base at the same time we are actively preparing for the next major transition in IOT connectivity which is the migration from 4G to 5G.

Market demand for our 5G e-RED CAP solution continues to strengthen, particularly as mobile network operators look to reform 4G spectrum and accelerate broader 5G deployment.

Importantly, IoT applications represent the final phase of this 4G to 5G transition, and These applications require long device life cycle, often 10 years or more, making a seamless and future-proof migration path essential. Unlike the 4G era, where the market became fragmented across multiple cellular technology categories, we expect the 5G IoT landscape to be more streamlined, centered around e-RETCAP as the primary standard. This creates a more efficient and scalable ecosystem for both customers and suppliers.

Sequence is well positioned in this transition. We already have an established customer base across our 4G portfolio, and we expect to leverage these relationships as we introduce our 5G solutions. In many cases, customers will be able to transition using solutions designed to be compatible with existing deployments, enabling a smoother upgrade path.

We continue to make strong progress on our 5G eRAD CAP program. During the quarter, we received our first engineering test chips, which are now in-house and under evaluation. This represents an important milestone as we advance toward customer sampling, which we continue to target for the second half of 2027.

Looking ahead, we believe 5G IoT will represent a significant long-term growth opportunity, both in terms of market size and value per device, supporting improved pricing dynamics relative to 4G.

Now turning to services and licensing. Our services and licensing business continues to represent an important source of high margin revenue, although timing of revenue recognition can vary from quarter to quarter. On this front, we have several ongoing discussions that could contribute to revenue over the course of 2026. These include engagements with large global partners, licensing and collaboration opportunities, leveraging our RF and 5G IP portfolio, as well as a range of smaller service agreements.

These opportunities provide potential upside to our product-driven revenue base, while also expanding our reach into new markets and applications. We remain focused on converting these discussions into revenue while managing expectation around time.

On the supply chain side, we continue to operate in a dynamic cost and supply environment. We are seeing significant increases in memory pricing, which are impacting the cost of both our chips and modules. We are actively working to address these cost pressures while ensuring we can meet customer demand. At the same time, we have taken proactive steps to secure supply, including multi-sourcing across key components, such as memory and packaging. Based on our current plan, we believe supply for our 2027 baseline demand is secure, although we continue to monitor potential upside scenarios.

Overall, while cost pressures and supply challenges are real, they are manageable and consistent with the broader industry trends. As we move through 2026 we remain focused on discipline cost management and reducing cash burn Our objective continues to be reaching a break run rate by the end of the year as revenue scales We implemented the cost reduction plan at the end of last year. And while the full benefits will not be realized until mid-year, we are confident in achieving our expense targets in the second half. Working capital dynamics will continue to evolve alongside growth, particularly as we support production ramps and manage supply chain requirements.

These dynamics may create short-term variability, but they are aligned with long-term revenue growth. Overall, our performance underscores the progress we are making in strengthening our core IoT business, improving financial discipline, and maintaining flexibility in our capitalist pledge. regarding our outlook for the second quarter we currently expect revenue to be in the range of $6.8 million to $7.4 million driven predominantly by product revenue with potential upside if new licensing deals are closed based on our backlog and continued momentum across our design wind pipeline we expect revenue to build sequentially throughout the remainder of the year. We also remain focused on reducing cash burn and continue to believe we can approach cash flow break even by the end of the year as the business skips.

Looking ahead, we continue to evaluate strategic alternatives that could accelerate profitability and unlock additional value for shareholders. What's clear to us is that we are operating from a position of strength. We have a solid balance sheet, a growing and increasingly productive IoT business, and a differentiated 5G and RF IT portfolio that we believe will be a key driver of long-term value.

As we discussed earlier, the transition from 4G to 5G in IoT represents a fundamental shift in the market. with e-redcap expected to become the primary standard we believe this will create a larger more unified and more scalable market than what we saw in the 4g cycle sequence is uniquely positioned to benefit from this evolution we expect to leverage our existing 4g customer base as a natural entry point into 5g enabling a more efficient transition for customers while accelerating our own time to market.

Combined with the expected premium pricing and expanded market opportunity, we believe this positions us to drive meaningful long-term growth and improved profitability.

In parallel, we will complete the redemption of our debt by June 1st and continue to manage our capital allocation with discipline, maintaining a strong cash position while preserving flexibility to act opportunistically as conditions evolve. Overall, we remain focused on scaling our IoT business, advancing our 5G roadmap, developing our new RF transceiver business, and executing against the key drivers that we believe will unlock the full value of sequence over time.

With that, I will now turn the call over to Debra to review our financial results in greater detail. Debra?

Thank you, George, and hello, everyone. I'll begin by reviewing our first quarter financial results and then provide an update on our balance sheet and digital asset holdings. During the first quarter, our financial results continue to reflect the underlying momentum in the IoT business, along with the impact of actions taken earlier this year to strengthen our balance sheet and simplify our capital structure. For Q1 2026, total revenue was $6.1 million compared to $6.9 million in the fourth quarter. As George mentioned, revenue in the quarter was primarily driven by product sales with ongoing variability and licensing and service revenue timing.

Gross margin for the quarter was 37.7% compared to 41.4% in the fourth quarter and reflects the ongoing impact of supply chain dynamics, but especially revenue and product mix. Operating expenses in the quarter, including R&D and SG&A expenses, were $11.8 million compared to $12.3 million in the fourth quarter. We continue to make progress on our cost reduction plan and remain on track to achieve lower operating expense levels in the second half of the year.

During the quarter, we recorded $29.3 million of non-cash charges related to the mark-to-market valuation of our Bitcoin holdings compared to a loss of $56.3 million in the fourth quarter. As a reminder, these charges are driven by market price movements and do not reflect underlying operating performance. We also recorded $11.7 million of real-life losses on the sale of Bitcoin during the quarter compared to $6.1 million of losses in the fourth quarter, primarily associated with the ongoing redemption of our convertible debt.

As discussed previously, the convertible debt and associated embedded derivative continue to be remeasured each reporting period, resulting in non-cash impacts to the P&L. In addition, IFRS accounting requires us to recognize non-cash interest expense associated with this 0% coupon instrument. Reflecting these factors, we reported an IFRS net loss of $54.3 million for the quarter, compared to an IFRS net loss of $76.4 million in the fourth quarter. On a non-IFRS basis, excluding significant non-cash items, we reported a net loss of $20.7 million, or $1.42 for ADS, compared with a non-IFRS net loss of $16.2 million, $1.04 per ADS in Q4. The comparative numbers for Q4 and Q1 2025 have been adjusted from the unaudited figures published in February 2026 and May 2025.

In finalizing the 2025 audit, we made adjustments related to the timing and amount of revenue recognized, the accounting for the compound financial instruments issued in July 2025 and related embedded derivatives, finalization of the ACP purchase accounting, and other adjustments attributable to normal year-end closing procedures, audit adjustments, and the completion of management review. We are currently still finalizing with our auditors the documentation and disclosure of the impairment tests for ACP, Goodwill, and other acquired intangibles on the balance sheet.

The ongoing discussions regarding determination of the cash-generating unit to be evaluated and the most appropriate valuation models resulted in delays in issuance of the audit report, and therefore we filed a statement indicating we would need to extend our filing deadline. We expect to file our Form 20-F this week.

Turning to cash flow, normalized cash burn for the quarter was just under $10 million compared to approximately $7.7 million in the fourth quarter, including working capital movements. As George mentioned, working capital can fluctuate as we support production ramps and secure supplies. During the quarter, we continue to execute on our balance sheet strategy. As of March 31st, 2026, we had redeemed $28.3 million of the $94.5 million face value debt that was outstanding on December 31st, 2025.

As of April 30th, we had redeemed approximately 62% of this convertible debt, funded through the sale of 800 Bitcoin, reading a balance of approximately $35.9 million due, which we expect to redeem in full by June 1st, 2026.

At the end of Q1, we held cash and cash equivalents of approximately $10.6 million compared to $13.4 million at the end of 2025.

As of the end of Q1, we held 1,514 Bitcoin compared to 2,139 Bitcoin at year end 2025. And as of April 30th, we held 1,114 Bitcoin and expect that we will hold at least 600 Bitcoin after full redemption of the debt, all of which will be fully available for sale.

Following completion of the debt redemption, we expect to have a near debt-free balance sheet with a simplified capital structure and increased financial flexibility. overall our financial results for the quarter reflect continued progress in scaling the IOT business improving cost discipline and strengthening the balance sheet before turning the call back to George to conclude I'd like to cover a few housekeeping matters we expect to conclude the final audit procedures with our auditors this week and be in a position to file our annual report on Form 20F. Since we filed an extension notification last week, as long as we file by May 15th, we will still be considered a timely filer. We are currently preparing for our annual shareholders meeting on June 30th, 2026.

You should expect to see voting materials by early June. Most of the resolutions will be our normal recurring resolutions that you see each year. One of these resolutions is to ask for authorization for a capital increase. This year, we will ask for authorization to issue up to $7.5 million ADS, including up to $15 million in the form of convertible debt.

We would like to clarify that we are asking for this authorization only to provide flexibility in the event that we have a strategic opportunity that would require issuance of convertible debt or equity. We currently have no plans to do any equity raise to finance operations. In fact, the shelf registration statement and ATM program that we filed in August 2025 were filed when we had the market cap to be an accelerated filer and were automatically effective.

Upon the filing of the 2025 annual report on Form 20F, we will no longer satisfy the requirements for using an automatic shelf, and therefore we can no longer issue equity under that August shelf registration or the ATM program.

With that, I'll turn to call back to George. As we close, I want to reiterate that our primary focus remains on executing and scaling our IoT business and expanding to software-defined markets, such as drones and defense. We are seeing solid momentum across the portfolio, supported by a growing backlog, a maturing design wind pipeline, an increasing number of projects transitioning into production, and several advanced licensing and services. With continuous strength across CatM, Cat1BIS, and RF transceivers, and with early engagement around 5GE RedCap, we believe the business is well positioned to drive sequential growth while maintaining a clear path toward cash flow break-even. At the same time, we are taking decisive steps to simplify and strengthen our balance sheet.

By eliminating our convertible debt and transitioning away from the treasury strategy, we are increasing financial flexibility and sharpening our focus on the core business. Going forward, our priority is to monetize our remaining Bitcoin holding in a disciplined way while ensuring we maintain the liquidity needed to support operations and invest in our 5G roadmap. Overall, we believe we are entering an important phase for the company with a stronger financial foundation, improving operational visibility, and a clear path to long-term value creation.

Thank you for listening. We can move now, operator, to the questions, if you don't mind. Yes, sir.

Yeah. Hi, Luke. I mean, just not to be confused, you said REDCAP. I'm talking about e-REDCAP. e-REDCAP is really the standard that's going to replace, literally, CATM and CAT1 business. When you look to the 4G, the 4G IoT, we had like four technologies used in 4G. NB IoT, mainly in China, but you have some in Europe and even in Australia and other places.

CATM, mainly U. S. , Japan, and half of Europe, I would say. CAT1BIS and CAT1, which is the fourth one. And as you see this is really because IoT Cellular was for the first time entering IoT and for the good and the bad you know they ended by having almost competing technology not 100 competing covering some application but there is also a piece of it competing. And this fragmented the market. Obviously, now the carriers, starting in the U. S. , and obviously this will be followed by other regions of the world, the carrier, they would like to finish their deployment of 5G. In other words, they need to reform the 4G spectrum to use it on 5G and one day switch off the 4G.

To do this, you can do it today for all applications on the phone, but you cannot do it for IoT because all the IoT runs on 4G. That's why there is a push to come with the 5G IoT and this is the e-RATCAP. So e-RATCAP by definition will come and replace all those CATM, NB, CAT1 and CAT1Biz.

You will have kind of supporting low speed and medium speed. The same technology is able to do this. And because it supports 5G, it will have a little bit higher ASP. And because it supports the low speed and the high speed, so it will be really benefiting from the continuation of the IoT business and cellular, and it will be expanding over time, as well increasing in the price and increasing the size. So definitely the opportunity will be, let's say, at least the sum of the four opportunities of CAT1, CAT1BIS, CATM and NBIUT today, plus some premium, let's say 10%, 15% related to ASP increase because of the Fibre Sheet.

Yeah, sure. Look, I mean, you know, the $300 million, this is what we had, let's say, on January this year as design win in hand. And we said like 44% of them were in production, which means generating revenue. and we expect to be by June 50% of them in production, which will be $150 million. In other words, if you take $150 million in average over three years, this is $50 million yearly revenue in average. Obviously, there will be a ramp depending on the project, year one, year two, year three.

And the companies there continue to build. And literally, when you look to our backlog, if you compare this to beginning of the year, this year in Q1, as I'm speaking, We have backlog securing close to $22 million for the year, this year, in product revenue. And we have even portion like $2, $3 million already in hand for Q1 next year. This backlog is coming from existing design win in production.

And this means all our analysis on the fact of our design win pipeline is really true and accurate, if you want, reflected in the ramp of our customers. So that's why we have really strong confidence on this. Now, obviously, we need to continue the conversions from design win to full mass production. That will happen in the second half of the year. I will say in June and beyond June, let's say for the second half of the year.

And to some extent, if you look to CatM business, CatM business today is really versus our target. We feel almost secure. I don't choose to say 100%, but maybe 90% of our plan is already in hand. Why? Because all the CAT M is really, big portion of the CAT M is design win in production. The CAT 1 biz, we have design win, not all of them in production. And this is the piece where we're still working on to ensure that M is going to continue in the second half of the year in terms of product.

Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, look, I mean, you know, we went through digital assets, you know, thinking seriously that we can develop this business and we can trade above MNAV. And then after this, maybe separate the two business, which is the core business, IUT, from the digital assets, because they cannot live together forever. I mean, it was really my plan was if the digital asset is working in addition to the IUT, knowing that IUT will be working, we'll have some time to separate them and do something there. Unfortunately, for many, many reasons, the digital asset didn't work in a sense like we were not able really to benefit from the leverage of the debt and be able to get an MNAV higher than one, allowing us to keep scaling.

so any digital asset strategy needs to have the ability to scale in number of Bitcoin and so on and unfortunately because we realized on top of this the pressure on the Bitcoin put us almost at risk and I believe many people were nervous at the beginning of the year if this can hurt the IoT business as well for all those reasons we decided really to take out the risk by redeeming the debt and obviously from there have a balance sheet which is clean, no debt we'll have there obviously Bitcoin in June 1st From there, the question becomes, are we going to go and buy Bitcoin? I don't believe so. Today, this is what I'm clear on it.

Now we will have a holding more than 600 Bitcoin. Are we going to sell them on June 2nd? I don't believe we'll be doing this on June 2nd, but we will be taking our time to monetize those Bitcoin, you know, in the coming, I'll say, a couple of quarters. knowing that the purchase price of this Bitcoin is higher and obviously the trend we are seeing today that the Bitcoin is growing into the right direction so we would like to benefit from this if we can. But in any case we will not sacrifice the IoT and in other words we secure enough cash on the balance sheet to be sure that the company can operate independent of the variability that you could see on the Bitcoin.

Thank you.

Hi, Scott. Thanks for the question. indeed you know as you know one of the nice surprise we saw this year which is we acquired you know the ACP and by acquiring ACP the original goal was there to get the IP of the RF and accelerate our 5G e-redcap roadmap and this is really executed on as I said we have already a chip in house and this has all the RF and all the analog and everything is working well as we are speaking so this as we did it but at the same time we have let's say as a bonus on top of this product RF product that can be sold on standalone to existing customer and when we dig in we realized that this product is really great product to go to drone market and defense market where you have very high ASP very high margin and the market is booming from this we obviously secure the existing customer we have and I could say today around those customer we could be doing you know close to maybe this year five million dollar or four five million dollar they are not you know they are I'm putting inside this as well their royalty we collect with our Chinese red cap but let's call it outside of this regular IOT business we have around five million dollar almost secured for the and maybe we can do a couple more depending in the second half if the backlog will confirm versus forecast but the good news as well there is like we expanded to go to this defense market and drone market and here since we announced the iris family this product we had like a dozen of leads across the world really from many many country and we realized that we have really great product, very competitive in terms of feature set, and people are really happy to use it and test it and engage projects.

And as I'm speaking, I have at least several, you know, a few of them very advanced to consider it a design win. I don't qualify it yet a design win, but a few of them are there. So the potential of this art of business honestly could be, you know, we're talking about the market. It's very hard to size this market around defense and drones, you know, if you take only the transceiver business, but we are talking about, you know, maybe $100 million plus per year potential market. And as you know, this is really very high margin. We're talking about 99% gross margin. So we believe like it makes sense for us, you know, to capture a nice market share from that, whether 20, 30%, we'll see how good we are.

But this is really very nice potential for the company. coming almost to the very minimum investment. The only investment we are doing is really in support, marketing, because the R&D is already done.

So this is on the RF. And then if I look to the licensing and, in general, those opportunities, licensing remains very important for us, specifically if we want really to achieve our cash flow break even in Q4. Even if the product revenue is really growing nicely, And if you look to our number in Q1, 90% plus is product.

And in my guidance for the Q2, same. So we are really moving to almost product revenue. But we still have several deals under discussion, maybe more than five, of advanced discussion covering RF, covering the ERAT cap or the modern portion. as well as the protocol for satellite communication. So on those, we are advanced with many of them.

We hope we'll close something in Q2. We're not, you know, timing sometimes. It's not obvious how much revenue you can take it if you close it end of June. But we are looking to close at least one deal this quarter and maybe another one or two in the second half. And those deals, you know, they vary. I mean, there is obviously we have some smaller one, I'm not mentioning this, it could be a few hundred thousand dollars, but those are really associated with the product revenue in general.

But pure service revenue, we're talking about these here, they could be from a couple of million dollars up to 15 million dollars, one five, that we are contemplating there. So potential is big, but obviously, you know, they are binary. I mean, if you get them, you get 15 million dollars. If you don't get them, you get zero. But we have, as I said, several of them quite advanced. So that's why we are optimistic that we can secure something this year that can help us support and add to the product growth in the second half of the year.

And then, George, looking to the second half of this year, you're talking about getting cash flow break even. That obviously implies that the product revenue ramps considerably in the second half of this year. Could you expand a little bit on your confidence level on that front? Certainly that $300 million pipeline is helping, but it sounds like new wins are starting to ramp as well. Could you give us an idea about where you expect product to ramp to by the end of this year?

The backlog supports some of that current visibility, but just kind of maybe help us out a little bit with some end markets and the competitive landscape as well. Cat1BIS is very, very hot right now. Kind of where you guys stand from a win rate on that front.

You know, it's really, you know, the confidence is coming with the maturity of the design win means those design win are already in production. Everything which is in production today and we start to have sizable number of projects. And as I mentioned, mainly in metering and tracking. These are the two markets where we are very good at in a mature way. All those are coming.

Scaling. You know, last year we did some numbers. This year we plan to do something that's already secured. So the confidence level is really coming very strong from everything in production. So if I look to my ramp for everything in production, I'm more than 90% sure about it. Everything really shipping. It's really good. We have backlog and we have forecast from customer and we should have no big surprise in the second half on this. The other piece which is really where really the risk is or let's say it where we have a little bit of challenge of timing, not to lose the customer, but if we are planning obviously and mainly in the CAT1BIS space because the CATM is much more mature.

Today more than 90 of the CATM of our CATM plan this year is already done as I said while maybe in terms of CAT1BIS we are at 30 let say if I give it a number Why Because the Cat1Biz it a product that we introduced after the CatM which means the design wins we have there came later, and those guys are not yet all in full production. Some are in full production, and we continue to win in security and telematic, and they start moving and we start getting order but obviously we're expecting to have more in the second half so this is the risk really or let's say that the point to observe if those cat1biz projects come on time in terms of moving to production in the second half of the year but we are optimistic because they are happening and the customer is serious the projects are moving and if there is shift it will be really minor delay with the customers taking months or two delay but this will happen at the end of it and then if I look to the RF I told you already I mean we are in good shape there because all of the we have in hand we secured maybe 60 percent our plan in RF already still the remaining needs to happen in the second half based on forecast not yet an order but based on focus so all this give us strong confidence to be honest and when you compare to the last year it has nothing to do I mean the company really now we talk about many many customer many project repeating order establish customers to whom we ship you know we ship to them maybe in the last two years already maybe a little bit and growing and some we start shipping last year and now growing strongly this year so that's true that's why we are really you know very very positive on the ramp of our product revenue in the coming quarters.

yeah I mean on the competitive landscape you know there is not a big change to be honest Scott is the same thing even if I saw in the Cat1BIS Nordic announcing a product I believe they get it through IP licensing from somewhere without saying more on this but you need to understand that Cat1BIS in the US is closed there is no more certification of new module in Cat1BIS. So any new Cat1BIS will be coming more to address Europe and not in the US, not North America. And there if you go to North America, it's left between Qualcomm and us to be straight on this. And the challenge of all this, again, you need to imagine that starting in 2029 and maybe not that far, you know, maybe 2030, if this shifts a little bit, You are going to see all the market will be pushing to get ERAT cap support, 5G support, and you will not be able to deploy a new product with 4G without having the 5G.

So, and here, obviously, the competitive landscape is who has 5G technology. And as you know, we benefit from all the investments we have done in the 5G, and we believe we'll be leading in the ERAT cap in the market and take a strong position.

Yeah, and on operating expenses, we expect those to keep coming down. We're targeting to have cash operating expenses below 10, targeting 9 million by the end of the year.

Thank you, Scott.

Yeah, I mean, hi, Jacob. Yeah, indeed, I mean, you're right. I mean, it's a little bit tricky because, you know, we have some Bitcoin already free. We have around 300 Bitcoin in hand that they are free. They are not part of the 800 that Deborah was mentioning. When you talk about the 800, we're talking about the piece which is in the collateral. And obviously, the deal we have it with our debt holders is we're keeping all the amount of Bitcoin in collateral. until we redeem all the debt. So obviously once we redeem all the debt, we get all what's left in there. So the more than 600, it will be at least 600. I believe we should have more, mainly if the Bitcoin stays where it is today.

Maybe we'll have, you know, nicer number. It's just only the fact that you pay what's left, you sell the Bitcoin, you pay what's left, and then when you combine what's left from the collateral plus what we have already in hand, free Bitcoin will end above 600 bit so in very simple way you know you don't matter the detail there on June 1st we'll pay all the debt we'll have more than 600 Bitcoin and we'll have almost that free company maybe we have 1 million or two the only remaining dead after that will be related to government government uh like r d funding that's um you know zero or one low interest no short term that yeah yeah got it so the the actual collateral the the 62 million or so um is really just security for the uh the the 36 million of debt but once you pay the 36 million of principal off that's yeah remaining okay i got you um second i just want to touch on the supply chain, I know you guys talked a lot about it with the memory costs increasing, but what's kind of your confidence level?

Yeah. I mean, you know, you're absolutely, you're mentioning good points, Jacob. On one side, what I said, like for our, what I call it, baseline, we are good today. We were not, last quarter, we were a little bit worried about Q4. Now we are fine. I mean, maybe we'll not, however, we are short in terms of, you know, covering upside, you know, depending how big is the upside, right? I mean, if we have a big deal and we need to serve it in Q4, we'll be short if I look to the number today. However, we have capacity to increase, you will be paying more in reality, you know. So there is always some supply capacity, but will cost you more, like you lose on margin and so on.

So we are contemplating this. We are working on those angles. We believe there is a potential of upside that we can cover it, but maybe this will come with a reduced margin if we have to get it because you'll be paying more. And on the memory supply, as you know, this is an industry problem today and mainly driven by AI demand. But just to make it very simple, for me, even if AI is taking all the capacity of memory, if this is true at the end of the day, AI will not work neither, right? Because you cannot have all the electronic only running with the AI processor, right? I mean, you need a lot of things around it from communication and so on, and you need memory.

So there is availability of memory, just only people benefiting of the cycle. And I can tell you, you have a crazy price increase. We're not talking in percentage. You talk about multiple, you know, you can talk about 2x, 3x, some memory, you know, sometimes more than this. So that's what we are seeing. And obviously this is the industry trend. We cannot fight for it. However, we have good relationship with the supplier and we are securing our capacity. So we are not missing capacity. We also introduced some second sources on some of them. We have one memory which was really key. We have already a second source already available and shipping to some customer, not to everybody.

And obviously over time, this gives us a chance as well to secure supply, but also keep pressure on the pricing not to pay, you know, at least to pay based on what the market is setting as a price per limit.

Thank you.

Yeah. Hi, Fedor. I mean, it's a good point to mention on this. Obviously, we still have the share buyback plan in hand and we can execute on it. And in Q1, we did some share buyback already. Honestly, we don't need all this money on our balance sheet. And as I'm speaking, we'll be turning, you know, we don't need it in a sense for operation, you know, for cash burn. Our cash burn should be reduced and be limited, and this will put the company in very strong position in terms of, you know, balance sheet. The option of buying, opportunistically, we could be looking to this. You know, we're not giving up on this, making some buyback.

Obviously, it depends on the business evolution in the second half, on the licensing deal we secure, let's assume we secure a big licensing deal and we add, because you know maybe in revenue will not take all the deal now, but this can add a lot of cash because in the licensing deal you have always some upfront payment that could be significant.

With that maybe we'll feel like we have enough cash to, and if the share is not performing to come and support the share and make some buyback. So this is really on the agenda of the board and we can execute on it opportunistically based on the market condition.

Yeah, I mean, Fedor, you know, last year, to be honest, now the company is in an, I would say, efficient mode, you know. But as you remember last year with all the movement of the company, you know, with the deal we did with Qualcomm and we had the acquisition of ACP. And, you know, we have a lot of even exceptional items related to Bitcoin, digital strategy in general as well. So all this, let's say, get cleaned, we clean it in Q4. some of it was not effective in Q1 so and and some will be effective in Q2 and for sure my end of Q2 will get the full benefit of what we have and we continue watching this but in general the focus was really we have our for if I take in terms of R&D our 4G product is maturing there is only need for support on on on the 4G product so in other words we moved all the spending in 5G to sorry in R&D to 5G and with very minimum you know 4G just all what we need for the support this was an angle of saving the investment into the 5G was aligned with time to market we could go much faster if we want we can go slower and this was the decision-based we need to be just in time we don't want to be with our ERAC one year ahead of time because this will not benefit for the company and we don't want to be late so and this also give us a variation if you want that the level variable that you can play with and obviously in general I will say all the GNA spending yeah I don't think there's not one particular item but But across the board, we've had some planned headcount reductions, basically people leaving that we're not replacing.

We work with a fair number of contractors that gives us leverage there to reduce that number as different R&D projects finish. We've also looked at just the overall structure in terms of rent. overall, all of the G&A expenses are being reduced across the board.

Continue. Best of luck.

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