Summary
Management framed the failed overall Phase III readout as a reason to reassess the endpoint and pursue a different regulatory path, while stressing post-hoc subgroup findings.
- Post-hoc analyses centered on very severe patients; management acknowledged they do not change Palisade 4’s failed primary outcome.
- The company plans to ask FDA about a single-trial pathway using LSAS to assess treatment over time, rather than acute SUDS response.
- Management emphasized favorable accumulated safety data and said the repeat-dose study remains on track.
Guidance
- Cash resources expected to support operations into 2027.
- Top-line results from the randomized portion of the Phase II repeat-dose study expected later this quarter, next quarter.
What analysts pressed on
- 01LSAS history: management said FDA affirmed in spring 2023 that LSAS remained a valid and reliable endpoint.
- 02Future study design: dosing schedule and duration remain for FDA discussion; management said duration need not match the approved drugs’ 12 weeks.
- 03Subgroup exclusions: management said one site was removed for unreliable data flagged before database lock, and severity drove most of the observed separation.
- 04Palisade 2 subgroup signal: management said it did not show the same separation, citing less placebo variability and smaller subgroup sizes.
- 05Repeat-dose results: management said results would be shared regardless of outcome and remain on track.
Notable disclosures
- LSAS 95-or-higher severity subgroup showed nominal significance, but management described the analysis as post hoc and said it does not change the overall trial result.
- Management said the 2023 FDA discussion yielded a definitive yes on LSAS validity and reliability, not agreement on a full registrational design.
- The proposed pathway invokes FDA draft guidance published just over a week earlier, seeking one Phase III trial plus confirmatory evidence.
- Management linked the subgroup finding mainly to severity; ceiling-effect and placebo-response filters contributed less.
Risks raised
- Palisade 4 failed its primary and secondary endpoints in the overall population.
- The positive subgroup findings are post hoc and nominally significant, leaving their regulatory value uncertain.
- Management has not secured FDA agreement on the proposed LSAS trial design, dosing paradigm, or duration.
- Greater placebo-response variability contributed to the overall trial result and may complicate future efficacy assessments.
Tone: Cautious -0.35
The call acknowledged a failed overall Phase III trial and relied on post-hoc findings, though management remained confident in safety and a potential FDA path.
Who spoke
Company
- Mark McPartlandSenior Vice President, Investor Relations
- Shawn SinghPresident, Chief Executive Officer and Director
- Unidentified ManagementChief Medical Officer
Analysts
- Paul MatteisAnalyst, Stifel
- Myles MinterAnalyst, William Blair
- Unidentified AnalystAnalyst
Full transcript
Analyst questions are marked with a bar. Timestamps are into the recording.
Prepared remarks
Good day, everyone. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Vistagen Therapeutics Corporate Update Conference call and webcast. Please note that today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to your host, Mark McPartland, Senior Vice President, Invest Relations at Vistagen. Mark, please go ahead.
Mark McPartlandSenior Vice President, Investor Relations
Thank you, Michelle, and good morning, everyone. Welcome, and thank you for joining us. In a press release issued earlier this morning, Visagen announced top-line results and post-hoc analyses of data from our Palisade IV Phase III Public Speaking Challenge trial evaluating fazodianol for acute treatment of social anxiety disorder, as well as our planned next steps in fazodianol program.
The announcement is available in the investor section of our website. During today's call, we will briefly review the Palisade 4 top line and post hoc data, provide perspective on the findings within the broader Pazodianol Clinical Development Program, and outline the company's plan, regulatory, and development plans. During today's call, we will make forward-looking statements regarding our business development programs, regulatory strategy, financial outlook, and other matters based on our current expectations. These forward-looking statements speak only as today and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. Additional information regarding these risks and uncertainties is included in our most recent filings with the SEC, including our annual report on Form 10-K and 10-Q, today's current report on Form 8-K.
Except as required by law, we undertake no duty to update any forelooking statements. With the formalities out of the way, we welcome our stockholders, investment community, and others joining us today. I'm joined on the call with Sean Singh, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Dr. Angele Angeloub, our Chief Medical Officer, and Josh Prince, our Chief Operating Officer.
Sean will provide some opening remarks, and then Dr. Angeloub will provide an overview of the primary and post hoc analyses from our Palisade 4 top-line results and his perspectives on their significance, along with the full post-talk data from our Palisade program, followed by a brief operational commentary and closing remarks by Sean. After that, we'll open up the call for questions from the self-sign analysts.
And with that, I would like to turn the call over to Sean.
Shawn SinghPresident, Chief Executive Officer and Director
Thank you, Mark, and good morning, everyone. As disclosed in today's press release, Palisade 4 did not achieve its primary or secondary in points in the overall trial population. Those results certainly were disappointing. However, our multiple post hoc analyses of the data in patients with very severe social anxiety disorder, amounting to slightly over half of the patients randomized in the trial, demonstrates significant findings we believe are important from clinical and regulatory perspectives. Today's call and the slide deck covered by our Form 8K just filed this morning are intended to share those findings with you.
Although these findings do not change the primary outcome of Palisade 4, they provide us important scientific insight into the broader fastidionol development program. And they have helped us inform our plans to meet with the FDA to discuss a transition from our previous registrational pathway for fastidienol in social anxiety disorder involving an acute symptom treatment to a potential registrational pathway focused on the overall treatment of social anxiety disorder over time.
Today's call has two key objectives. First, to review the Palisade 4 results. Second, to share the additional analyses we conducted and explain how those findings fit within the large body of data and totality of evidence generated across our development of Fasodianol in social anxiety disorder over the years. We will discuss how that data and evidence support our plan to meet with the FDA with the goal of mapping a clear registrational pathway forward for Fasodianol to help improve the lives of patients with this highly prevalent disorder who have not seen a new FDA-approved treatment alternative in over 20 years.
With that, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to our Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Angel Angeloff, to walk you through primary and post-hoc data from Palisade 4 and pooled post-hoc data from across the Palisade program in patients with very severe social anxiety disorder. Anjel.
Unidentified ManagementChief Medical Officer
Thank you, Sean. Before reviewing Palisade 4 specifically, I would like to briefly place today's results in the context of the broader Palisade Development Program. The Palisade Program was designed to evaluate facodynal as an on-demand acute treatment for social anxiety disorder using a standardized five-minute public speaking challenge, a minute-by-minute assessment using the subjective units of distress scale, or SUDS, with a one-time drug administration model.
Across the Palisade program, we've accumulated a substantial efficacy and safety database, including more than 1,500 exposed participants. Today's discussion focuses primarily on our Palisade IV trial, but our interpretations and current plans are informed by the complete body of evidence generated across the entire facodyanol development program, including the Palisade program, phase two studies, large open-label studies on an outpatient basis, and phase one electrophysiological studies. As Sean mentioned, the primary analysis of Pallus8-4 did not achieve statistical significance on the primary or secondary endpoints in the overall trial population. These are the results reported this morning, and I'd like to begin by reviewing those data. In the overall study population of 238 patients, the least square mean change from baseline on the SADS was minus 9.5 points for patients receiving facodianol compared with minus 11.4 points for patients receiving placebo, resulting in a treatment difference of 1.9 points, which was not statistically significant.
Similarly, we did not observe statistically significant treatment difference between facodianol and placebo on the secondary endpoints evaluated in the study, although there is a noticeable difference in the patient perspective on efficacy in the PGIC data. Importantly, safety and tolerability data for facodianol remained favorable, consistent with observations throughout the entire clinical development program. No new safety signals were identified, and the overall safety findings were consistent with previous placebo-controlled studies.
While the results in the primary analysis were not what we had hoped for, completing the primary analysis represented the first step in understanding the study. As is customary, following any large phase 3 trial, we conducted a comprehensive scientific review of the complete data set to better understand the findings and evaluate whether additional observations might help inform future development decisions.
I'd now like to provide important context for the additional analysis that follow. During the data review we examined several factors including the overall distribution of treatment responses placebo variability site operations baseline disease characteristics and the consistency of treatment effects observed across the data set. That review identified several observations that we believe warranted additional evaluation. The first of those observations is placebo response variability. We believe that is very important for understanding the overall study results. While the treatment effect observed among patients receiving facodianol was generally comparable with prior studies, placebo responses exhibited greater variability, contributing to a broader distribution of outcomes. We also observed notable differences between the mean and medium placebo responses, indicating there's a relatively small number of extreme values for placebo that influenced the overall distribution of placebo outcomes.
That led us to a deeper exploration of placebo behavior related to severity subpopulations in the trial and in the context of the public speaking challenge, which is designed to detect an acute axiolytic effect. As noted, when we compared Palisade 4 with prior studies in the Palisade program, the level of improvement observed among patients receiving facodianol remained relatively consistent.
In contrast, greater variability appeared to be concentrated within placebo responses rather than active treatment responses. In our subpopulation analysis, we focused on patients with very severe social anxiety disorder defined as having a baseline score on the Libre with Social Anxiety Scale, or LSAS, of 95 or greater at VISIT 1 screening. We wondered whether subjects having more severe anxiety would be less likely to show a large improvement on placebo.
This very severe LSAT subgroup included 123 patients, just over half of the overall study population. The LSAT is one of the most used clinician-rated measures of social anxiety disorder severity in clinical research and has served as the primary efficacy endpoint in the registrational trials supporting all currently approved pharmacologic therapies for the treatment of social anxiety disorder. In this post-hoc analysis of very severe social anxiety disorder patients, facidionol demonstrated a nominally statistically significant improvement compared with placebo on the trial's primary efficacy measure. The least square mean change from baseline in the sub-score. Patients receiving facidionol achieved a LSM change from baseline of minus 12.8 points compared with only minus 3.7 points for placebo, representing a treatment difference of negative 9.1 points with a nominal p-value of 0.036.
PGIC percent responders, a patient reported secondary endpoint, also showed nominal statistical significance in this very high severity subpopulation. The largest driver of efficacy for the post hoc subpopulation was the filter for disease severity. The additional filters for such healing effects and for marked improvement of placebo at visit when worsening of anxiety is expected by the anxiety-provoking public speaking challenge contributed less but widened the separation of Fasodianol from placebo.
We applied the same filter approach to a post hoc pooled analysis, first for Palisade 3 and 4, then for Palisade 1, 3, and 4, and finally for all four phase 3 trials in the Palisade program. The totality of data to date from the Fasodianol Development Program, including the post hoc pool data in the very severe patient subpopulation, supports the hypothesis that Fasodianol's acute anxiolytic signal may be the most detectable when the study population has sufficient baseline trait anxiety like that in the very severe social anxiety subpopulation. and the endpoint is not overwhelmed by noise from the public speaking challenge.
These findings should be interpreted in the context of the overall data set for the development program. When viewed together with the favorable safety and tolerability data observed throughout the Palisade program, our positive Palisade two-phase three trial and other clinical evidence generated across the development program, We believe these data provide important scientific and clinical basis for discussions with the FDA regarding the potential future registrational pathway for facetianol.
Before I turn the call back to Sean to discuss our planned FDA engagement, I'd like to briefly comment on another important component of the overall development program, our accumulated safety knowledge. In addition to the efficacy data we've discussed, FASID-Dianol Development Program has now accumulated a substantial safety database with more than 1,500 participants exposed to FASID-Dianol, including more than 300 with at least six months of exposure and more than 100 with at least 12 months of exposure in outpatient settings.
No new safety signals have been identified in Palisade 4, and the favorable safety and tolerability data have remained consistent throughout the clinical development program. We believe this safety database, together with the efficacy observations discussed today and the broader body of evidence generated across the Palisade program, provide important context for our planned discussions with the FDA regarding future development of FASO-DINOL.
With that, I'll turn the call back to Sean.
Shawn SinghPresident, Chief Executive Officer and Director
Thank you, Angel. So evaluating the totality of evidence across the Facet Ional Development Program with a goal of establishing a clear registrational pathway forward for this asset. Based on the totality of data to date, our immediate priority is to engage with the FDA to discuss a plan to transition away from the acute treatment of social anxiety disorder measured by the SUDS to the treatment of social anxiety disorder measured by the ALSAS, consistent with regulatory precedents supporting the three FDA-approved antidepressants for treatment of social anxiety disorder. We plan to seek agreement to pursue a single trial registrational pathway with confirmatory evidence under the FDA's draft guidance to industry published just a little over a week ago.
That trial would be designed to evaluate Fasodano's potential to treat social anxiety disorder over time in a Phase III outpatient trial with the LSAS as the primary endpoint. Confirmatory evidence would include positive data from our Palisade II Phase III trial, the data that we've shared with you today, our placebo-controlled Phase II clinical trials, LSAS-related open-label data, and the aggregate safety data on gel just discussed with you. We also continue to expect top-line results from the randomized portion of our Phase II repeat dose study later this quarter, next quarter. As we previously shared, the design of that study was informed by FDA feedback to evaluate repeat dosing, dosing interval, dose response, and duration of effect. At the same time, we will remain financially disciplined.
Based on our current operating plans and previously announced cost management initiatives, we continue to expect our cash resources to support our operations into 2027. Beyond facidionol, we remain confident about and committed to advancing our broader faring pipeline, including preparations for the continued clinical development of our non farings itruvone for major depressive disorder and rafisilone for menopausal hot flashes We believe the totality of evidence from our facetionol development program including the post hoc analyses and insights we've discussed with you today, support confidence in facetionol's therapeutic potential to improve the lives of over 30 million individuals in the U. S. , living day after day, most for many years, with the impact social anxiety disorder has on their daily lives.
We are grateful for all involved with Palisade 4. Your participation made a difference, a very big difference, and we look forward to engaging with the FDA and updating investors as we move forward.
With that, I'll turn the call back to Mark to begin a brief Q&A period.
Mark McPartlandSenior Vice President, Investor Relations
Thank you, Sean. Operator, we are now ready to open the call for questions from the cell side analysts participating today.
Questions and answers
Thank you. To ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. And to withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. And the first question will come from Paul Matthias with Stiefel. Your line is now open.
Paul MatteisAnalyst, Stifel
Hey, good morning. Thanks so much for taking a couple of our questions. We appreciate it. On the switch to the LSAS, can you talk about some of the historical data with facidionol and LSAS? I thought I remembered that in some of the earlier studies, this was a more challenging endpoint or a less sensitive endpoint, which might be why you went with the SUDs. My second question is just in this severe population subgroup, it looks like there might be a site excluded or certain patients excluded from that analysis. So maybe just talk about the rationale there. And then third, you know, I guess given the lack of difference overall in the study, it's the fact that there seems to be this signal in severe.
Does that mean that in the milder population or the moderate-to-mild population placebo did better? And if so, how would you reconcile that? Thanks so much.
Unidentified ManagementChief Executive Officer
Great. Thanks a lot, Paul. Appreciate the question. So your first question refers to, I think, the placebo-controlled phase 2 crossover study. So I'll let Dr. Angeloff address that.
Yes. So we did study in the Phase II program where beyond the SUDS that was used in that study, we also had LSAS assessment that came at the weekly intervals that the study was ongoing. It was a two-week study where patients received acedainal or placebo, and after two weeks, they switched to the opposite group's drug. So two weeks of fastidienol, after that two weeks of placebo, and then in the other arm the opposite way. What we saw in that study was that the LSAS improved at a level that was statistically significant for a relatively small study that showed that LSAS did improve over time and really generated a lot of interest in the possibility of LSAS as a primary endpoint in future studies.
Paul, you might remember that was Dr. Leibowitz ran that study. He's the innovator, of course, of the Leibowitz Social Anxiety Scale or the LSAS. And so what we liked in that study was the folks that got the drug first before they crossed over placebo. we actually saw a carryover effect, which is consistent with how we think this drug's MOA operates, which is that you build confidence over time and your symptoms knock down in acute settings.
And then as you continue to engage and not avoid your stressors, you see that confidence cognitively build over time.
I want you to address. Yeah, to the second question. And in the exclusions that we had, we had one site excluded. However, it was because of unreliable data, and it was all flagged before database law. When we excluded that site, there was no change from placebo on the data that we were viewing. We excluded the site's unreliable data and not as part of the severe subpopulation review. The subpopulation review dramatically diverged when we have the LSAT 95 and above cutoff. the additional filters of feeling subscores, just to give you a sense, when you're at 90 to 100, you're at the max of that scale.
And then you go through a public speaking challenge that is supposed to induce additional anxiety. There's no way that that scale can continue going up. So we excluded patients. with that type of sealing effect, and there was only five of them that had that. And then the additional filter brought in just one more person because of the way that huge placebo response observed in the visit two, which was all placebo run-in. So overall, the biggest effect comes from the LSAT 95 and above cutoff, and then the other filters just nominally contributed, but didn't create the separation that the severity subpopulation did. And to your last point, one of the things that is important to understand is that it's not that the drug may not work in milder cases.
It is easier to see the signal when you have this higher level of anxiety baseline. So that is why it's much more prominent and less variability we're seeing with the placebo response with the severe subpopulation.
Thanks again, Paul.
Thank you. And our next question is going to come from Miles Minter with William Blair. Your line's open.
Myles MinterAnalyst, William Blair
Thanks, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Just back on the excluded data in that post hoc analysis as well, I think you exclude a handful of patients that, coming into the public speaking challenge, I think they were scoring subscores of greater than 90 and maybe that the public speaking challenge, because you're so anxious to start with, didn't get that rise and fall that we'd expect in the anticipation performance sort of stage of that. Maybe you can talk about the effect on that.
And then if I break down PEL 1, 2, 3, 4 individually and don't pull them, do you have on a post hoc basis a stat sick affecting PEL 2 for this severe population, given that is your positive trial from the overall population. Thanks very much.
Unidentified ManagementChief Medical Officer
The first question related to the ceiling effect, I think, Miles, is that accurate? The sud scale is 0 to 100, and there's a handful that were 90 to 100. And when you are starting at that spot as your baseline, there isn really any potential for the instrument to measure a benefit because there not much room between 90 and where you are between 90 and 100 So that ceiling effect did impact and we excluded five subjects in that regard Yeah, and just to really go through those three numbers, 15 were excluded from Site 1. However, only 12 of those had actually LSAS 95 and above. Then five were excluded for the ceiling SUD scores that Sean just talked about.
And there was one additional patient that was excluded for this pronounced, really, placebo response, where they paradoxically improved while they're getting provoked with a public speaking challenge. So this is really the total numbers for PALS-8-4 in terms of exclusions, and the overall number that you see is primarily driven by 98 subjects that came from the cutoff of the LSAT-95 and above.
Then the next question was to the severity of PALS-2 alone on a standalone basis. Correct. Yes, we looked at that, and we did not see the same type of separation that we see in PALF 4, really the combined data of 3 and 4, and really the total pool data. Why do we think that is? We didn't have the variability of placebo responses that we see in PALF 4. That was really the biggest driver for the results that we saw in the overall population.
In Palisade 2, there was no such variability in placebo responses. Hence, there was really no specific subpopulation that carried the overall results.
Shawn SinghPresident, Chief Executive Officer and Director
Angel, I would add to that too, Palisade 2 had a smaller sample size. So when you start cutting, you're getting to much smaller ends. And that's one of the advantages, obviously, of pooled is you have bigger ends to show that separation.
Unidentified ManagementChief Medical Officer
Yeah, correct. because directionally, as you can imagine, when you have a positive trial, actually all the subpopulations, the severe and the less severe, they all were directionally pointing in the same way. A faster dienol was better than placebo. But when you have the lower ends, getting to statistical significance makes it much, much harder. Thanks, Miles.
Unidentified AnalystAnalyst
Thanks for the question.
Thank you. And the next question is going to come from Andrew Sywood Jeffries. Your line is open.
Unidentified AnalystAnalyst
Morning. Thanks for sharing the update, guys. Thank you for taking my questions. The first one, in terms of the history of the development program, I feel like there was a period of time, maybe right after Palisade 1, but actually before Palisade 2, where you did consider pivoting to LSAS, and you had FDA discussions back then. So can you remind us the degree of alignment or agreement you got with the FDA to look at LSAS, just as a reminder?
And more follow-ups. Thank you.
Shawn SinghPresident, Chief Executive Officer and Director
Yeah, thanks, Andrew. Good to hear from you. The meeting that we had with the FDA in the spring of 2023 was focused primarily on whether or not the LSAS remained a valid and reliable endpoint for a registrational pathway similar to the antidepressants, three antidepressants that were approved at that point about 20 years ago. And so because the agency has not approved anything since over 20 years from now, 23 now at this point, I think Effexor was the last one, We needed to, you know, in case we wanted to move to that direction, we need to understand whether the agency was still aligned on that endpoint being valid and reliable, and we got a definitive yes on that one.
Unidentified AnalystAnalyst
Makes sense. And now that you're pursuing an LSAS in the next phase, would this be a daily kind of fixed dosing paradigm, or is it still treat as needed? And is it fair that the study duration might be a little bit longer, more consistent with the prior previous drugs, the antidepressants? Maybe it's like an eight-week paradigm. I don't know.
But maybe talk about that different.
Shawn SinghPresident, Chief Executive Officer and Director
Yeah, that's certainly something we'll be addressing with the agency. The MOA and building the program around the MOA has always been central to our thinking. And the way this drug works is with rapid onset effect that we see. So we discussed that with the FDA, and certainly an over-time perspective with the LSAS being more of a movie as opposed to a quick snapshot, we would expect the study, it doesn't necessarily have to be exactly the same as the 12-week structure that approved drugs have. That's something we'll discuss with the agency. Those obviously have a different MOA. It takes a lot longer, as you know, for those types of drugs to kick in. But we'll have that discussion with the FDA, and we'd expect it to be more along the lines of the crossover study.
But it's something certainly we'll be discussing with them as an immediate priority.
Unidentified AnalystAnalyst
Okay.
Unidentified ManagementChief Operating Officer
Sean, I would just also add to that that back then, and obviously still holds true now, from the crossover study that Angele mentioned, And, you know, we had in two weeks we had about the same magnitude of effect that the approved SSRIs had in 12 weeks. And so to your point, you know, we've looked at what's the potential study duration, potentially less than 12 weeks, but obviously longer than what we did recently. And then I think the other piece is just the continued open-label data that we've, you know, driven. Granted, it's not placebo-controlled, but it's the other thing that gives us some confidence in, hopefully, a future study where you see LSAS decline over time.
Unidentified AnalystAnalyst
Okay, thank you. And the very last question, I think there was this separate redosing study that could read out soon, too, also in Q3D. Would you still plan to share those results regardless of the outcome, or is that kind of in the background right now?
Shawn SinghPresident, Chief Executive Officer and Director
Sure, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. That is on track with prior guidance, so absolutely we would. And it would also be part of the overall totality of data and discussion with the FDA as we map out under the single trial guidance, which really it's extremely helpful to have this draft guidance and its recency is also very important to us about a single trial pathway. So those are the things that we want to get in front of the FDA as soon as we can and discuss what we and they believe is an appropriate path forward, given the body of work that's been generated up to this point, which is absolutely robust. So looking forward to it.
Unidentified AnalystAnalyst
Great. Thank you again.
Thank you. I am showing no further questions in the queue at this time.
Mark McPartlandSenior Vice President, Investor Relations
Thank you, operator. And thank you, everyone, who joined us on the call today for your thoughtful questions. If anyone on today's call has additional questions, please feel free to contact us at ir at vistagen. com or through the contact us section of our website. Thank you again for your time, participation, and your continued interest in support in Vistagen.
This concludes today's conference call. Have a great day. Thank you, and you may now disconnect.
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