John Wiley & Sons (WLY) Q3 2025 earnings call transcript

Transcript, summary, guidance, and what analysts pressed on from the John Wiley & Sons, Inc. call on March 6, 2025.

Held
March 6, 2025
Length
55 min
Tone
Confident0.78
Analysts
2
Words
6,472
FY26 margin improvement
100+ basis pointscorporate shared services
Fiscal-year AI revenue
$30 millionvs $23 million last year
Expanded AI agreement
$9 millionbacklist research content
Journal renewals completed
~80%Kalamazoo 2025 season
Research recurring revenue
nearly 75%multi-year agreements
Content outside US
84%geographically diversified
Federal-funded article output
single-digit percentagedirect US exposure

Summary

Management framed research as resilient and AI as an emerging corporate growth option, while emphasizing structural cost reduction as the main margin lever.

  • 100+ basis points of FY26 margin improvement is expected from corporate shared-services rationalization beginning late this year.
  • Q4 learning is expected down low-to-mid-single digits, despite positive underlying growth excluding last year's large gen-AI deal.
  • US funding exposure was characterized as low single-digit, with multi-year agreements delaying potential effects.

Guidance

  • FY25 EBITDA and EPS are trending toward the high end of guidance.
  • FY25 outlook reaffirmed, with research growth expected to reach industry levels by year-end.
  • FY26 margin target raised, primarily through cost-structure actions.
  • Q4 learning down low-to-mid-single digits, including last year's large gen-AI deal comparison.

What analysts pressed on

  • 01FY26 margin expansion: 100+ basis points is expected from corporate shared-services rationalization.
  • 02Learning recovery: management avoided specific FY26 projections, citing courseware strength and digital licensing opportunities.
  • 03Capital allocation: repurchase pace remains undecided as management assesses higher future free cash flow.
  • 04US funding exposure: federal funding directly supports a single-digit percentage of article output, while timing remains uncertain.
  • 05AI productivity: management declined to quantify savings, citing workflow automation and content-review initiatives.

Notable disclosures

  • $9M$9 million expanded AI agreement covers backlist research content and brings fiscal-year AI revenue to $30 million.
  • Phase-two corporate AI opportunities are smaller individually but potentially recurring and much larger in aggregate.
  • Benchmarking against Springer identified further structural cost-streamlining opportunities after adjusting for society-related costs.
  • AI productivity savings remain unquantified despite internal Magic Lab work on workflow automation and research integrity.

Risks raised

  • US research-funding changes and court challenges remain uncertain, though management expects delayed effects.
  • Learning faces a difficult Q4 comparison against a large prior-year gen-AI licensing deal.
  • Academic enrollments and retail-channel softness pressured learning.

Tone: Confident 0.78

Confidence in guidance, raised FY26 margins, resilient research demand, and AI growth outweighed learning softness and US funding uncertainty.

Who spoke

Company

  • Brian CampbellInvestor Relations
  • Matt KissnerChief Executive Officer
  • Christopher CaridiInterim Chief Financial Officer
  • Jay FlynnExecutive Vice President and General Manager of Research and Learning

Analysts

  • Daniel MooreAnalyst, CJS Securities
  • Sami KassabAnalyst, BNP Paribas

Full transcript

Analyst questions are marked with a bar. Timestamps are into the recording.

Prepared remarks

00:01

Good morning and welcome to Wireless Q3 fiscal 2025 earnings call. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to introduce Wireless Vice President of Investor Relations, Brian Campbell, please go ahead.

00:20

Brian CampbellInvestor Relations

Thank you, and thank you all for joining us. On the call with me are Matt Kistner, Wiley's President and CEO, Christopher Karidi in term CFO, and Jay Flynn, Executive Vice President and General Manager of Research and Learning. Note that our comments and responses reflect management's views as of today and will include forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those statements.

The company does not undertake any obligation to update them to reflect subsequent events. Also, Wiley provides non-GAP measures as a supplement to evaluate underlying operating profitability and performance trends. His measures do not have standardized meanings prescribed by US GAP, and therefore, may not be comparable to similar measures used by other companies. Nor should it be viewed as alternatives to measures under GAP. Unless otherwise noted, we will refer to non-GAP metrics on the call, and variances are on a year-over-year basis and will exclude divested assets and the impact of currency.

Additional information is included in our filings with the SEC. A copy of this presentation and transcripts will be available on our Investor Relations webpage at investors. wily. com.

01:28

Matt KissnerChief Executive Officer

I'll now turn the call over to Matt Kister. Thank you, Brian, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our third quarter update. We continue to capitalize on the increasing demand for scientific research and responsible AI development. We are executing well on our objectives of driving recovery and growth in research and material margin expansion overall. And we remain on track to achieving our outlook for this year and next.

In fact, we are raising our fiscal 26 margin target. For those who may be new to the story, Wily delivers authoritative content and data-driven insights to institutions, corporations, researchers, and learners. Our extensive catalog includes some of the most valuable and important content in the world, essential in the advancement of science, technology, and medicine in the responsible development of AI and other machine learning applications, and in future high-value use cases supporting research and development such as science analytics and information services.

Let me acknowledge the economic uncertainty out there, ranging from consumer confidence and inflation to tariffs, policy swings, and geopolitical unrest. As a reminder, for over 200 years, Wily has been a safe haven through many economic cycles and periods of disruption. We demonstrated this resiliency during the Great Recession and the COVID pandemic. While publishing services, content, and brands remain must have resources, and our markets continue to prosper. Supporting this is our strong balance sheet and consistent cash generation over time as evidenced by 31 consecutive years of dividend increases.

What makes Wily unique and compelling over the long term? As noted, our markets are robust and demand remains consistent, directly correlated with increasing global R&D investment. We are recognized as a wide-mode business with essential authoritative content and trusted brands. We deliver resilient, compounding growth in markets that remain stable even during economic downturns. Approximately half of our revenues were occurring.

In our research segment, this number is nearly 75%. We are an early AI beneficiary with emerging long-term opportunities in the corporate sector, particularly in research and development.

Our financial characteristics are strong with healthy margins in cash generation, low leverage, and ample liquidity. And finally, the leadership team at Wily is aligned and committed to continuous improvement and value creation. Let's talk about some of the favorable underlying trends we're seeing.

First, global R&D spend continues as the primary driver of research output, remaining strong in 2024 with growth of 8%. Growth projections for 2025 are similar.

Second, the demand to publish continues to increase, reflecting its vital importance to the creators of researchers. You to date, research article submissions are up 18% with publishing output up 8%.

Third, our recurring revenue models demonstrate strong health with solid pricing power supported by consistently higher volume. Recurring revenue models include a subscription read-only and transformational read and publish agreements.

Fourth, quality and scale matter and Wily excels in both areas. Quality has become more important than ever for researchers as they seek to publish in trusted, high impact journals. At the same time, scale has become more important given the increasing complexity of this mixed model ecosystem with customers ranging from individual researchers to national governments. Our top tier quality and scale give us an opportunity to have pace the market over time.

Finally, Wily's strategic position in AI development and application offers multiple advantages. As previously discussed, our content serves as a foundation for training large language models and brain to market vertical specific LLMs. Additionally, as a publisher, the nature of our work enables us to greatly benefit from AI productivity tools.

Let me shift gears and focus on our headlines for the porter. Revenue growth was driven by mid-single-digit growth in research, including an expanded AI licensing project with an existing technology customer. Learning was down due to challenging comparisons to prior year as discussed in our last earnings call and some softness in academic books. Chris will go into further detail on our segment performance. Key takeaways from the quarter include, our Kalamazoo 25 journal subscription and TA renewal season is nearly 80% complete and we are seeing encouraging growth trends. Open access continues to demonstrate rapid growth across our journal portfolio. We expanded a corporate AI licensing agreement this quarter and continued to build a pipeline of vertical specific opportunities.

It's very early days in the development of this vertical specific market, but we're seeing considerable interest from leading research-intensive corporations. Monge and expansion remains a multi-year strategic focus and I'm pleased to report 280 basis points of operating margin improvement and 50 basis points of adjusted as we will discuss later we see significant opportunities for continued margin improvement.

Chris will talk to our fiscal 25 outlook and fiscal 26 targets, but we see our EBITDA margin and EBS trending towards the high end of guidance and we're raising next year's margin target.

On to our results. Throughout my commentary, I'll exclude divested assets and currency impacts. Revenue was up 1%, driven by research growth of 5% offsetting and expected 6% decline in learning. This year over year's swing stemmed from a $6 million licensing renewal in the prior year and softness this quarter in academic books. Adjusted EPS increased 39% due to higher adjusted operating income and a lower adjusted effective tax rate. Our operating margin rose 280 basis points to 14.2%. Adjusted EBITDA grew 4% reflecting revenue growth, partially offset by investments in growth and productivity initiatives. Our adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was 23.2% executing on our core objectives this year.

First, driving recovery and growth in research. Yiddedate the segment is up 3% with growth across all key areas including our recurring revenue models, open access publishing program, licensing and solutions. Leading indicators continue to be the expansion of our advanced journal franchise has been a great success story. This portfolio encompasses over 20 high impact journal titles of course disciplines and we continue to expand in critical areas such as life sciences, AI and machine learning.

Our multi-disciplinary journal advanced science is delivering exceptional growth this year. While our newest titles advanced intelligent discovery and advanced robotics research recently published their inaugural articles. We anticipate launching additional advanced journals in 2025 and 2026 and as a reminder top tier journal franchises like advanced or differentiators for large publishers.

Second, moving decisively on AI opportunities. Yiddedate we've generated 30 million dollars in licensing revenue relating to trading models and executed an early but important agreement for vertical specific models. This market is evolving and our pipeline remains very active.

Third, driving continued margin improvement. Through nine months our adjusted operating margin increased 330 basis points to 13.30% and adjusted EVITDA has improved by 160 basis points to 22.3%. Let me say a few words about the current US funding environment. We're keeping a close eye on the potential impact of US government actions on research funding. We don't anticipate any near-term impact on our research publishing programs given the exception of volume in our article pipeline, the lead times associated with any potential impact, and the recurring nature of our multi-year agreements.

Importantly, as I'll describe in a moment, US federal funding only supports a small percentage of our research output. All of this is evident in today's confident reaffirmation of our fiscal 25 outlook and fiscal 26 targets including the margin improvement. Moreover, it's too early to weigh any potential long-term impact given the high level of uncertainty and the critical importance of scientific and technological activity in driving economic growth.

Peer-reviewed research is how these advancements are communicated, evaluated, and applied. It is referred to as the global knowledge ecosystem and widely stands at the center of it. Historically, this industry has advanced in good times and bad. It's always risen above politics, it's been excluded from tariffs and trade wars, and it's continued on even through conflict. It is an industry that is geographically well distributed and powered by many different funding sources. Every region participates with remarkable balance as illustrated here.

For context, China leads as the number one source of research output worldwide, followed by the US, the UK, Germany, and Japan. Governments in these countries consider this positioning strategically important, contributing to Wiley's broad geographic diversification. In terms of regional breakouts, Asia Pacific is responsible for around 45% of our around 20%, and other makes up about 5%.

As for the US, direct federal funding is only responsible for a single-digit percentage of our total article output. Of course, we are fully confident that the US scientific, technical, and medical research will continue to receive federal support given the essential role that research plays in US economic growth, global competitiveness, and societal well-being. Where are we today?

Mature markets have returned to steady growth supported by continued R&D investment and growth markets have seen some remarkable new developments. Consider India's innovative One Nation One subscription initiative. We recently executed this multi-year agreement expanding access to over 6,000 Indian institutions and supporting 18 million researchers and students. While this expansion increases profitable revenue for us in India, its significance extends beyond financial metrics. The agreement unifies the research ecosystem of the world's second most populated country. And as our India country lead, Ritesh Kumar stated, it empowers Indian researchers to lead global scientific conversations and accelerate the country's research output. Our presence in India positions us well as these initiatives progress and growth in Indian research. Similarly in Brazil, we secured a new multi-year transformational agreement that expands access to over 430 research academic institutions reaching upwards of 6 million researchers.

Both these landmark agreements serve strategic purposes that transcend immediate financial benefits. They expand access in emerging growth markets and deliver additional revenue streams and ultimately enlarge both the scientific community and the global supply of quality research. Let's examine R&D and publication funding which shows similar geographic diversification. Our institutional models draw support from a diverse range of funding sources including national governments such as our single licenses in Germany and India, national funding bodies and agencies, state governments, private endowments, foundations, tuition revenue, and corporations.

I'll emphasize again that nearly 75% of our research publishing revenue is recurring. Also, while many associate USR&D with federal government funding, corporations fund 80% of total USR&D investment. This reality reveals one of our most promising long-term opportunities. Currently, corporations represent a relatively small percentage of our overall revenue. However, we believe there is significant sustained value in integrating our content and data more deeply into the corporate research process such as AI, model enablement, and providing data and analytics to support the research process. Taken together, all these factors position research as both resilient and poised for continued expansion.

To summarize, we continue to see growth this year in our recurring models and open access program. Renewals and leading indicators are favorable and give a strong visibility. Over the long term, our quality and scale will remain essential elements for attracting and retaining research authors and driving market share games.

Let's now turn to AI growth, particularly the long-term corporate opportunity I mentioned earlier. This quarter, we executed an expanded agreement for AI model training purposes, and we're seeing promising developments in the broader vertical-specific market.

The agreement builds on the project announced in Q1, involving backlisted learning content for training large language models. This Q3 expansion incorporates backlist research content defined as previously published material older than three years. The $9 million agreement brings our total AI revenue this year to $30 million, following $23 million realized last year. As a reminder, these Phase 1 trading agreements are non-recurring. It's important to re-emphasize that licensing represents a core business activity for Wiley. As we take on new AI-specific initiatives, our guiding principles remain straightforward. We recognize our responsibility to engage with AI developers, to secure scientific accuracy, and deliver optimal learning outcomes. These models require training untrusted authoritative content such as Wiley's, while protecting the rights of authors and other copyright holders, a fundamental responsibility we embrace as a knowledge company.

Beyond these large-scale training agreements, we're seeing encouraging demand from multinational R&D-centric companies, of course critical sectors, including healthcare, biophomaceuticals, and industrial chemistry. Distinct from our LLM training agreements, these R&D intensive corporations are using AI-powered content and tools to speed up product development, identify breakthroughs, and reduce internal cycle times. And although the individual opportunities are materially smaller in size, they represent a much larger addressable market. And the revenue is highly likely to be recurring. Enhanced support for corporate research initiatives represents Phase 2 of our content licensing strategy. With a broad set of applications, of course, the many disciplines we support. These types of collaborations would extend beyond generating new licensing revenue streams to function as strategic partnerships, enabling mutual learning about AI application development, and its impact on improving research outcomes.

The market will take time to fully develop, but we are encouraged by the early demand we're seeing. I'll now pass the call to Chris to take you through our year-to-date results, segment performance, outlook, and financial position.

21:38

Christopher CaridiInterim Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Matt, and good morning, everyone. Our results continue to align with expectations, reinforcing our confidence in achieving our fiscal 2025 outlook and fiscal 2026 targets, which I'll speak to shortly.

Turning to our year-to-date results, adjusted revenue grew 3%, driven by core growth in research and AI licensing. Excluding one-time AI-related revenue, overall revenue grew 1%, with research increasing 2%. We continue to advance our margin expansion initiatives, resulting in significant improvements. Adjusted operating income up 38%, EPS up 43%, and EBITDA up 12%. Our adjusted operating margin improved by 330 basis points to 13.3%, and our adjusted EBITDA margin rose 160 basis points to 22.3%. We continue to focus on optimizing our cost structure, more specifically right-sizing our technology costs and other corporate expenses. At the same time, we're transforming how we publish and work to drive greater operating efficiency. We do anticipate restructuring charges from this activity. Meanwhile, free cash flow shows strong recovery, and we remain on track to achieve 125 million in fiscal 2025.

Turning to our research segment, third quarter and year-to-date revenue increased 5% and 3% respectively. Q3 growth stemmed primarily from AI licensing in our open access programs. For the nine-month period, research publishing growth reflected strong demand to publish and read, with double-digit growth and gold open access, and low single-digit growth in our recurring revenue models, offsetting softness in ancillary products. A reminder that ancillary products include print and other nonrecurring items such as backfiles, article pay-per-view, digital archives, entitled by title journal sales to libraries. One-time AI licensing projects for backlisted content worth approximately 10 million year-to-date, also contributed to our year-to-date results.

Excluding these AI projects, research revenue is up 2% year-to-date. As Matt mentioned, we have completed nearly 80% of our calendar 2025 renewal season and see steady growth trends. The multi-year nature of these agreements means that around one-third of our library customers in consortia come up for renewal annually. We have successfully renewed major agreements in the UK, France, and the US, while executing those new landmark deals in India and Brazil.

This renewal season extends from early December through the end of April 2025. Research solutions have successfully returned to growth, with revenue increasing 6% in a quarter and 3% year-to-date, driven by expanded content solutions and databases for societies, corporations, and other publishers. While these key differentiator continues to be our enduring success in partnering with societies and other professional organizations, four of our key society health science partners have been with us for over 50 years, while 45% have been with us for more than 20. This remarkable retention rate demonstrates not only our shared success, but also highlights one of our most valuable assets, our reputation.

Partnerships like these are becoming increasingly multi-dimensional, with Wiley delivering the comprehensive suite of services from publishing and content platforms to marketing and recruitment. Our IEEE partnership exemplifies this approach. As one of the world's largest societies responsible for a third of all technical literature in electrical engineering and computing, IEEE now benefits from Wiley's expanded role in managing their advertising sales and programs. This arrangement provides access to highly engaged audiences through impactful advertising and digital content solutions. For Wiley, this partnership extends our participation in the engineering vertical, leveraging our unique access to one of the world's most valuable professional audiences. Adjusted EBITDA for revenue growth and cost savings, partially offset by investments in growth and productivity, our Q3 margin improved by 180 basis points to 32.7%, while our year-to-date margin improved by 30 basis points to 31.1%.

In summary, we are encouraged by our Q3 and year-to-date performance and research and continue to anticipate a strong finish to the year. Let me now address our learning segment. In addition to challenging year-over-year comparisons, we saw moderate softness in academic book sales. While Q3 revenue decreased 6%, year-to-date revenue rose 4%, driven by expansion and professional content and AI licensing revenue. We continue to experience robust growth in signing new book titles across the science, technology, medicine, and professional fields. Additionally, our zybook STEM courseware remains a strong growth driver. Adjusted EBITDA for the learning segment decreased 5% this quarter, reflecting revenue performance. Nevertheless, our margin expansion initiatives delivered 30 basis points of improvement, resulting in an adjusted EBITDA margin of 35.4%.

Year-to-date, our margin for learning improved by over 400 basis points to 35.3%. In summary, the year-over-year softness and Q3 aligned with our expectations.

We continue to secure new business in our core areas, enhance margins, engage in productive licensing discussions with AI developers, turning the corporate unallocated expenses. These decreased 5% this quarter primarily due to lower depreciation and amortization. Excluding DNA, expenses increased 9%, reflecting the timing of investments in enterprise modernization and consulting fees related to strategic initiatives, including re-engineering our cost structure. Notably, our segment margins improved both this quarter and year-to-date, partly resulting from our reduced corporate allocated expenses. This demonstrates our continued progress in right sizing our shared service costs, and we have additional improvements planned.

Let me now turn to our growth outlook. Our year-to-date execution, performance, and indicators remain solid, enabling us to reaffirm our outlook in the mid to high end of our projected ranges. As previously noted, we anticipate a strong Q4 for our research segment, driven by favorable journal renewals and demand to publish indicators, as well as accelerating growth in research solutions and favorable comparisons to prior year. These positive factors should more than offset the $23 million non-recurring AI deal recorded in Q4 all up last year.

Also, as mentioned earlier, we are reassessing our cost structure with additional expected savings expected in fiscal 26. To summarize, we expect full year revenue to land near the midpoint of our 1.65 to 1.69 billion range, representing top line growth of approximately 3%. Our segment outlook aligns with expectations, with research revenue growing by low to mid-single digits, and learning by low single digits. Adjusted EBITDA is expected to land near the midpoint between 385 to 410 million, translating to high single-digit growth. We anticipate our EBITDA margin to be at the high end of our 23 to 24% range. Adjusted EPS is expected to be at the high end of our $3.25 to $3.60 range, delivering strong double-digit growth over last year's $2.78.

Finally, free cash flow is expected to meet our guidance of approximately 125 million, an improvement from 114 million in the prior year. While capital expenditures will come in lighter than initially projected, restructuring costs will be higher due to expanded cost reduction initiatives. Let's turn to the targets we first set down in January of 2024. Since that point, we've made decisive moves to improve our fundamentals and will continue to do so. Given our momentum in investments in research, our improved efficiency, and additional cost savings, we are increasingly confident of our outlook for fiscal 26. One, we continue to see revenue growth in the low to mid-single-digit range. Two, we are raising our margin target to be above 25% from the original 24 to 25% range.

We will be more specific when we discuss our full-year guidance in June. Three, we are reaffirming our free cash flow target of 200 million, up from 114 million in fiscal 24 and 125 million projected for fiscal 25. Let me walk you through the basic components of that improvement. As is illustrated here, we anticipate strong EBITDA growth next year, given our revenue and margin outlook, lower restructuring costs, and improved working capital.

Let me briefly conclude with our financial position and return to shareholders. Cash flow from operations and free cash flow year to date are much improved due to a mix of improved operating performance and working capital timing. Free cash flow year to date has benefited from lower CAPEX. Year to date, we continue to return cash to shareholders, with dividends and share repurchases totaling 93 million, up from 87 million in the prior year.

Approximately 35 million was used to acquire 784,000 shares. Our current dividend yield is over 3.5%. Finally, our net debt to EBITDA ratio was 2.0 at the end of January compared to 1.9 in the prior year period. The more appropriate time to look at this number is when we report April year end in June. Last year, we disclosed the leverage ratio of 1.7.

With that, I'll pass it back to Matt.

33:49

Matt KissnerChief Executive Officer

Thank you, Chris. One final mention before I summarize our key takeaways. Yesterday, we announced that Dr. Karen Madden has joined the Wiley Board of Directors.

Dr. Madden is the Senior Vice President and Chief Technology Officer at Millipore Sigma, the U. S. and Canada life science business of Merck KGAA, which is responsible for shaping the technology roadmap and R&D strategy. Millipore Sigma develops products focused on scientific discovery, bio manufacturing and testing services. As noted, Wiley's long-term strategy is increasingly focused on the corporate R&D value chain. Dr. Madden's wealth of knowledge and expertise in this area will be a tremendous addition. Let's review our key takeaways before we move on to questions.

In periods of economic uncertainty, Wiley has consistently served as a safe haven, delivering resilient, compounding growth across economic cycles and displaying geographic diversification, significant competitive advantages and strong financials. We will continue to move forward with operational discipline, fiscal prudence and strategic foresight. We are an early beneficiary in AI development, evolving alongside our corporate partners. We continue to explore various content opportunities for training, inference and application with an encouraging pipeline. As emphasized, content licensing represents a core business activity for us, not merely in AI's specific initiative. Our execution remains strong with excellent organizational alignment yielding significant year-to-date improvements in both margins and cash flow. And we maintain full confidence in our outlook for Q4, fiscal 25 and fiscal 26 with margin upside and a reaffirmed free cash flow target of $200 million.

I want to thank all of you for your interest in time today. I also extend my sincere appreciation for our Wiley colleagues for their dedication and hard work in bringing us to this point and positioning us for even greater success in the future.

I'll open the floor for questions.

Questions and answers

36:34

At this time, I would like to remind everyone in order to ask a question, please press start then the number one in your telephone keypad. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster.

36:48

Daniel MooreAnalyst, CJS Securities

Your first question comes from the line of Daniel Moore. We'd see JS securities. Please go ahead. Yeah, thanks. Good morning, Matt. Morning, Chris. Thanks for all the details and color. Great to see the progress and upward revision regarding the 26 margin target. Maybe just talk a little bit about the drivers. Is it additional cost savings, incremental confidence on revenue, AI expectations for incremental AI revenue, all the above, just what's driving the upward revision there?

37:19

Matt KissnerChief Executive Officer

Thanks, Dan. Let me kick it off and then I'll turn it over to Chris. It's really primarily driven by working on the cost structure.

It's really gratifying to see the ability to, with confidence, really talk about these improvements coming through in our guidance. But really, of course, the organization, what we've been hard at work at, let's say rationalizing the structure and getting back to what we would consider competitive margin levels.

Let me turn it over to Chris who can give you a little more insight into that. Yeah, thanks, Matt.

38:09

Christopher CaridiInterim Chief Financial Officer

Dan, the primary driver, as Matt said, is that we are rationalizing our cost structure largely in corporate shared services. We've been signaling that we were focused on this area. We see that we will begin execution on that and the latter part of this year, you'll see the benefit next year. That's a 100 plus basis point improvement we expect as a result of the actions we're taking.

38:42

Daniel MooreAnalyst, CJS Securities

Really helpful. We want to create sustainable value here in terms of what I would call permanent margin improvement. So make these actions we're taking really count. So really, of course, the organization, we're looking at the structure of footprint in certain places and really getting excited at not only 26, but even beyond to be showing really a continuous improvement point set around margins. I think you just took the next question out of my mouth.

Thinking about the longer-term opportunity, what have you learned from competitors, Springer, now that they're public?

39:34

Matt KissnerChief Executive Officer

How do you compare and contrast your cost structure and how do you think about the potential for more sustained margin upside going forward?

Yeah, we did a lot of benchmarking, including, of course, competitors in Springer nature. It did point us to looking at structural cost differences. Now, you do know that their mix of business is quite different from us. So we do have more of a society business in our mix than they do. So that is the loyalty costs associated with it. But even when you back out the loyalty costs, it points us in the direction that we do have an opportunity to streamline our cost structure. So I think, and we talked about this both with the executive team and the broader team here, and we are all looking at margin improvement as kind of a way of life.

I think there is a lot of room improvement there, but we want to do it in the right way, in a responsible way and not interfere with the work we're doing on driving revenue growth.

40:51

Daniel MooreAnalyst, CJS Securities

Understood, very helpful.

40:51

Christopher CaridiInterim Chief Financial Officer

Switching gears, the 9 million incremental AI revenue, just to confirm that the full 9 million felling Q3, and that was in research as opposed to the prior agreements which fell into learning, correct? That's correct, Dan. Do you have that right?

41:13

Daniel MooreAnalyst, CJS Securities

And that's perfect. Switching gears, again, in terms of learning, obviously, you know, you had a tough comp this quarter. Just talk about the outlook over the next sake, 12 months plus, you know, both academic and professional sides of the business and your confidence in getting back to positive growth in fiscal 26, given, you know, some of the tougher comps you'll be up against, particularly in the first half the year.

41:34

Matt KissnerChief Executive Officer

Well, let, let, Jay's on the call. So let, let him talk a little bit of kind of how he's looking at the business outlook and that Chris can give you a sense of the numbers.

41:51

Jay FlynnExecutive Vice President and General Manager of Research and Learning

Thanks, Matt and Dan. Nice to hear from you again. So, you know, we did indeed have a tough comp. I think if you exclude the AI revenue, though, from the last quarter, we were only off about a point in terms of prior year. And that points to, you know, some timing in the business, a little bit of pressure in the retail channel, and a specific assumption around enrollments in the fall and spring semesters that just proved a little ambitious in terms of where we wanted to be this year. But overall, I think, you know, the things I'd point to that give us some optimism and really underpinned, you know, the essence of what Matt was talking about, what we're doing, I'd point to improve margin and learning in the quarter as a key driver of that overall margin mix improvement that we're looking at, growth in our, in our design books, business, underlying courseware.

And, you know, a real long term opportunity in continued digital licensing and AI in that business that we're looking to capitalize on. So, you know, just to reiterate, you know, we think that improved cost, discipline, efficiency measures, supporting higher margins, remain a key feature in the business. And that, you know, we've got a nice mix of products there that is in the, in both the short and medium term, going to continue to do its job for us in the P&L and help support our overall guidance.

43:28

Matt KissnerChief Executive Officer

Chris, you would have anything?

43:36

Christopher CaridiInterim Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, if I could, I don't want to specifically get into projections into 26, but I'll just say relative to this Q4. We do have a tough comp coming up. Obviously, last year we had a large gen AI deal. We, if we remove out that deal, we would actually be talking about a very positive learning growth in Q4. Instead, we only see it coming down in the load of mid-single digits in Q4. And a lot of that is strength, as Jay alluded to, in courseware. It's a big quarter for courseware. And it will have an impact there. And also, there are other licensing deals that we anticipate will mitigate the, to some degree, the large deal that we had in the prior year.

44:34

Daniel MooreAnalyst, CJS Securities

Does that answer your question, Dan? It does. That's helpful. And you alluded to the strength in, you know, some of the book signings, the author signings, etc. So it should bode well for fiscal 26. Maybe one more. You know, obviously bought back, I think, 35 million in the quarter.

You're looking at, you know, given the guidance somewhere in the, you know, in the next call at five quarters, you'll generate 335 million plus a revenue of cash for cash flow. And that's, you know, obviously, pre-dividends, but still significant opportunity and leverage keeps going lower. So just talk about capital allocation near-term, you know, stocks trade and sub-10 times earnings. How you thinking about buybacks versus paying down debt and any other uses of your cash flow. Thanks again for all the color. Sure.

45:32

Christopher CaridiInterim Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. The, in the current year, we've been buying back at a larger, excuse me, a higher rate than we had in the prior year. It's modest to some degree, but so is our cash flow improvement year over year. As we expand into the next year, we'll be taking a hard look at, you know, the pace of our share repurchases. There's no commitments at this point, but obviously we'll have more free cash flow to make that assessment.

46:02

Daniel MooreAnalyst, CJS Securities

Anything else, Dave? Oh, good. I've already been pumping in.

46:18

Before going to the next question, again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad.

46:30

Sami KassabAnalyst, BNP Paribas

Your next question comes from the line of Sami Casa with BNP Paribas. Please go ahead. Thank you for the first one you described. Sami, you're breaking up.

We better now. Yeah. Yes. So you described how the U. S. already accounted for 20% of your U. S. institutions, in particular to U. S. medical libraries, given all the talks around NIH funding.

The second question may, could you give a few examples of how deploying AI internally helps improve cost efficiency, and can we discuss whether thanks to AI and patient tools, productivity gains can help improve margins? Are we talking about AI driving 10 deep, so are we talking about AI and automation driving 100 big or more?

I don't think we're going to get to, I'm sorry, Sami, go ahead. And lastly, when I look at Elsevier or Springer or Informer, their research business is going four to five percent organically. Do you think that research can accelerate towards four or five in the short to medium term or other structural differences in exposure that perhaps may prevent that in the medium term? Thank you very much.

48:13

Matt KissnerChief Executive Officer

Yeah, let me try to answer all of that. And I'm going to ask Jay to step in at the right time. On the last question, you may have heard us on the prior call talk about the fact that we have a lot of our research revenue back ended this year into the fourth quarter. You'll see that when we finish the year, research growth rates will be much more at industry levels. So that's the last question. As you might imagine, we're monitoring the developments in the U. S. very carefully.

And when we look at the impact of some of the potential impact of some of the U. S. funding actions, it really traces back to a low single digit impact on us. And there are also, as you will know, many of these arrangements we have are in multi-year agreements and there are time legs associated with the impact. And the fact is, right now there are so many unknowns with how this is going to fall out in terms of policy changes and court challenges. So we're very confident about the business given its geographical diversification. I'll lay it onto that. So we're confident enough to reaffirm our guidance. But we are monitoring it and taking it very seriously.

On the middle question about the AI impact on kind of how we run the business, Jay and his team have some very, very exciting things underway. And we don't translate it into a particular financial impact at this point, but it's part of what's driving the overall margin improvement in the company that we're committing to with our increased margin guidance. But Jay, maybe touch on a couple of interesting areas where you're finding good success with AI.

50:27

Jay FlynnExecutive Vice President and General Manager of Research and Learning

Yeah, sure, Matt. And, Tammy, thanks for the question and thanks for the interest, of course. Let me just, before I jump into AI, you asked about U. S. medical library exposure. I just want to reiterate one of the two things that Matt said. You know, we, in the prepared remarks, talked about how 84% of our content comes from outside the United States. And, you know, that distribution of articles only, it's a single digit number that's tied directly to federal funding. And, of course, we anticipate a strong year, as Chris talked about, as we put in our, as we put in our guidance, specifically with medical libraries. If I recall correctly, there's about 120 academic medical centers in the United States.

We have thousands of customers globally. And so, while, of course, we're monitoring what happens at those academic medical centers in those medical libraries, we feel good about A, the relationships long term that we have with those customers. And B, we feel good about the global nature of the business. So, on that, let me just pivot to the AI question a bit more. And as Matt points out, we are really, we feel like we are driving and embracing AI, both in the innovation side of the business and in the cost savings side. Yes, particularly about opportunities in cost, certainly workflow automation, document review, research integrity, automation of content workflows in particular are areas where we're spending a lot of time.

We've got a group set up internally called the magic lab that we point at this kind of work. And, and they're working every day with folks inside the building and outside the building. We're bringing in experts to help us on this journey. But we feel really, we feel very optimistic that, you know, two things. One, humans are going to stay at the center of the AI work in our sector because of the importance of human and expert overview and review of the processes. And second, we feel like this is an area where we want to lead and we want to continue to invest. And so, you know, as a, maybe as the key takeaway, I mean, I think, you know, our approach is ensuring that AI innovation is going to happen with integrity.

And we're going to balance technology process with ethical stewardship, author engagement, and, and, and, and just a laser-like focus on both the top and the bottom line.

53:14

Sami KassabAnalyst, BNP Paribas

Thank you very much. Very helpful. Thank you.

53:24

Thank you, Sammy. Again, if you would like to ask the question, press star one and your telephone key pad. If there are no other questions operator, I can wrap up.

53:32

Matt KissnerChief Executive Officer

I will turn the call back over to Mr. Gessner for closing remarks. Thank you. Well, thank you, everyone. We appreciate you spending time with us. We appreciate your confidence. Again, I want to thank the Wiley colleagues around the world who have helped drive this terrific progress we see. And we look forward to catching up with all of you again in June when we talk about the close of the fiscal year. Have a great day.

54:34

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