Alto Ingredients (ALTO) Q3 2026 earnings call transcript

Transcript, summary, guidance, and what analysts pressed on from the Alto Ingredients, Inc. call on November 4, 2026.

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November 4, 2026
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2026 net 45Z earnings
minimum of $20 millionnet of monetization costs
2026 qualifying gallons
90 million gallons or morecombined production
Columbia gross 45Z credit
$0.30 per gallonup from $0.20 through Q2
Pekin Dry Mill gross 45Z credit
$0.20 per gallon
2026 CapEx
$25 millionfull-year target
Pekin annual run rate
approximately 65 million gallonstargeted exiting the year
Co-op low-CI corn agreement
up to 20 million bushelsthree-year agreement

Summary

Management framed the quarter as evidence that its leaner, diversified operating model can sustain positive earnings, with 45Z credits adding to core operations.

  • $0.30$0.30 per gallon was the Q3 industry crush margin, down $0.11 year over year as higher corn costs outweighed stronger ethanol pricing.
  • Domestic sales currently offer better economics than European exports; management expects the export arbitrage to reopen in 2027.
  • $0.30The Columbia 45Z estimate rose to $0.30 per gallon from $0.20 through Q2, while farmer-sourced low-CI corn remains incremental.

Guidance

  • $20MAt least $20 million in net 2026 45Z tax credit earnings, with monetization expected in the first half of 2027
  • 90M90 million gallons or more of combined production expected to qualify for 45Z in 2026
  • $0.30Columbia facility 45Z gross credit: $0.30 per gallon
  • $0.20Pekin Dry Mill 45Z gross credit: $0.20 per gallon
  • 65MApproximately 65 million gallons annual run rate targeted exiting 2026 at Pekin dry mill
  • $25M$25 million full-year 2026 CapEx, including dock work and Columbia's third CO2 storage tank

What analysts pressed on

  • 01CO2 monetization: management is pursuing utilization and sequestration with existing partners, prioritizing capital-efficient options over large new spending.
  • 02Farmer agreements: the three-year co-op deal covers up to 20 million bushels; benefit sharing depends on measurable CI savings.
  • 03Western low-CI corn: management said Midwest-origin corn may qualify if traceable, while some rule clarifications remain outstanding.
  • 04Export economics: management declined to quantify the domestic-versus-export profit gap, citing Brazil's lower-cost supply and a potentially reopening 2027 arbitrage.
  • 05ATM dilution: no shares have been sold; management said future use depends on capital needs, share price, and potential uses.
  • 0645Z outlook: management clarified that current per-gallon estimates exclude low-CI corn, which could add incremental credits.

Notable disclosures

  • $0.30$0.30 per gallon Columbia 45Z gross credit estimate, raised from $0.20 through Q2; low-CI corn is incremental.
  • 20MUp to 20 million bushels of low-CI corn are covered by Alto's first three-year cooperative agreement.
  • No ATM shares had been sold, despite the prior-quarter announcement of the facility.
  • Management said Brazil's currency, sugar prices, and supply timing all shape the potential 2027 European export return.

Risks raised

  • Higher corn costs reduced the Q3 market crush margin by $0.11 per gallon year over year.
  • Brazilian ethanol remains a lower-cost competitor in the second half of 2026, limiting export opportunities.
  • More demanding farm practices, including cover crops and lower nitrogen applications, may complicate low-CI corn adoption.
  • Management said CO2 utilization and sequestration must compete with production expansions for capital, and emphasized capital efficiency.

Tone: Confident 0.72

Management emphasized sustained positive operating results, higher expected 45Z earnings, and improving balance-sheet flexibility, while acknowledging margin and execution risks.

Who spoke

Company

  • Jody BerfeningInvestor Relations
  • Bryon McGregorPresident and Chief Executive Officer
  • Robert OlanderChief Financial Officer
  • Unidentified Management

Analysts

  • Eric StineAnalyst, Craig Hallum
  • Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, StoneX

Full transcript

Analyst questions are marked with a bar. Timestamps are into the recording.

Prepared remarks

00:00

Good day, and welcome to the Alto Ingredients 3rd Quarter 2026 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on a touchtone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jody Berfening. Please go ahead.

00:38

Jody BerfeningInvestor Relations

Thank you, Kim, and thank you all for joining us today for Alto Ingredients' third quarter 2026 results conference call. With me on the call are President and CEO Brian McGregor and CFO Rob Olander. Alto Ingredients issued a press release after the market closed today, providing details of the company's financial results for the third quarter of 2026. A webcast and webcast replay will be available on the Alto Ingredients website, altoingredients. com. Please note that the information on this call speaks only as of today, November 4, 2026. You are advised that time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any replay.

The company also prepared a presentation for today's call that is available on its website. Please refer to the company's safe harbor statement in the presentation, which states that some of the comments constitute forward-looking statements and considerations that involve risks and uncertainties. The actual results of Alto Ingredients could differ materially from those statements. Factors that could cause or contribute to such differences include, but are not limited to, events, risks, and other factors previously and from time to time disclosed in Alto Ingredients filings with the SEC.

Except as required by applicable law, the company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. In management's prepared remarks, non-GAAP measures will be referenced. Management uses these non-GAAP measures to monitor the financial performance of operations and believes these measures will assist investors in assessing the company's performance for the periods reported. The company defines adjusted EBITDA as unaudited consolidated net income or loss before interest expense interest income, provision or benefit for income taxes, asset impairments, unrealized derivative gains and losses, acquisition-related expense, excess insurance proceeds, and depreciation and amortization expense.

To support the company's review of the non-GAAP information, a reconciling table has been included in the third quarter earnings release and presentation. On today's call, Brian will review the company's third quarter performance. Rob will review the financial results, and then Brian will wrap up and open up the call for Q&A. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Brian McGregor. Brian, please do go ahead.

03:05

Bryon McGregorPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Jody, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. I'll start with high-level observations about our third-quarter financial results and operational activities. Then I'll turn the call over to Rob for a more detailed review of our financial results. After that, I'll wrap up and open the call for Q&A. Over the past three years, we have made smart capital allocation decisions, improved profitability, and enhanced asset returns. On our last quarterly call, we reported our fourth consecutive quarter of positive gross profit, income from operations, net income, and adjusted EBITDA. Those results demonstrated that our diversified product strategy is working and that our improved operating model is capable of generating annual positive adjusted EBITDA through commodity cycles.

For the third quarter, Alto built on these achievements. Once again, we delivered positive gross profit, income from operations, net income, and adjusted EBITDA. These results are driven by the strength of our core operations. with 45Z tax credit earnings adding to an already solid foundation. As our track record grows, so does our confidence in the durable earnings power of our operational model and the strength of our diversified logistical platform, which helps us to pursue the highest value for our products under prevailing market conditions.

We continue to execute our strategic plan with discipline focusing on enhanced profitability, unlocking premium value opportunities and optimizing return on our assets. The industry crush margin remained healthy and profitable for the third quarter at $0.30 per gallon. Higher domestic blend rates, in part due to greater adoption of E15 reacting to high gasoline and RIN prices, and continued strong industry export demand supported improved ethanol pricing.

Corn prices rose along with expectations for lower yields on this year's harvest. while higher corn costs contributed to an 11-cent decline in market crush year-over-year. They also supported improved values for our essential ingredients. On a year-to-date basis through the third quarter, crush margins were $0.27 per gallon, representing an improvement of $0.08 or 42% higher than the same period last year.

For October, crush margins were healthy and profitable at $0.32. cents. During the quarter, we finished the renewable fuel export shipments under the contract we entered in late 2025. With global market conditions shifting, we chose to sell domestically, where our economics are currently better than selling into Europe. Although we expect our domestic sales to remain the more attractive option through year-end, we are beginning to see more compelling economics. We're resuming renewable fuel exports to Europe in 2027. Operationally, we continue to make good progress with our production and capital improvement initiatives. At the peak and dry mill, the deep bottlenecking project completed last quarter is performing in line with our plan following the restart. We're on target to increase annual production capacity by approximately 8% or 5 million gallons, allowing us to exit the year at our new targeted annual run rate of approximately 65 million gallons.

We're also progressing our large dock project. The first phase of the project, adding new liquid loadout, is complete and operational. The second phase, improvements to the existing dock, is expected to be completed by year-end. These investments will provide greater logistics flexibility and loading capacity while helping us better leverage the strategic value of the peak and location.

Finally, we expect a complete installation of our third CO2 storage tank at Columbia for year-end, providing additional capacity to capture more of our existing production and the growing demand for liquid CO2 in the Pacific Northwest.

We remain on track to qualify 90 million gallons or more of combined production for 45Z tax credits this year, and now expect to generate a minimum of $20 million in tax credits. earnings, net of monetization costs, as Rob will discuss shortly.

In addition to increasing production capacity at our peak and dry mill, we've begun partnering with farmers to lower the carbon intensity of our qualified production. With clarifying rules on recognizing climate-smart farming practices, we are working to convert these practices into value for Alto and our ag partners. This quarter, we signed our first multi-year agreement with a local farmer cooperative to supply a meaningful portion of our peak and campus low-carbon intensity corn needs and share the resulting 45Z benefit with the cooperative members.

And we are currently working on finalizing additional agreements. We expect these earning contributions from our first agreement to be modest in 2026, but to build in 2027 as participating farmers adopt additional measures beginning this fall.

In addition, at our Columbia plan, we are completing Phase 1 of our energy reduction project this quarter to further lower our carbon score and support our 45Z earning initiatives. In addition to the specifics I've shared, we continue to work diligently to capture more 45-Z earnings in 2026 and beyond, primarily by qualifying more gowns and by exploring additional opportunities to lower our carbon footprint.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Rob for a more detailed review of our third quarter financial results.

08:56

Robert OlanderChief Financial Officer

Thank you, Brian. I'll start with a review of the third quarter 2026 income statement compared to last year's third quarter. Consolidated net sales were million reflecting the sale of 89 million gallons of renewable fuel and specialty alcohol with volume flat year over year at an average price per gallon of 14 cents higher than last year Renewable fuel prices improved due to continued demand from strong domestic blending and global exports and were supported by higher corn prices.

On a consolidated basis, we sold 21.5 million gallons of specialty alcohols in the third quarter, 900,000 fewer gallons than the same period a year ago. The net impact on gross profit, inclusive of the change in realized derivative gains, was a $400,000 improvement, or a $0.02 per gallon increase. We contract our specialty alcohols at fixed prices in advance, and with rising ethanol prices, the premium we earned over renewable fuel narrowed by $1.8 million compared to the prior year quarter.

Our hedging strategy, which effectively locks in the premium when we contract, offset this reduction with a positive $2.2 million of realized hedging gains quarter over quarter, recorded as a reduction to cost of goods sold. Renewable fuel exports were down $2.4 million this quarter, driven by lower sales volume, albeit at a higher average premium. As Brian noted, with global market conditions shifting, we are selling more renewable fuel domestically where economics are currently more favorable.

Essential ingredient sales totaled $58.8 million, $5.5 million higher than Q3 2025. This increase reflects improved sales prices supported by rising corn costs on slightly higher sales volumes. With the RVO requirements set, improved demand for corn oil as a feedstock for renewable diesel and biodiesel drove prices up, positively impacting the sales price of our corn oil and germ products.

Our essential ingredients return improved to 53.5% compared to 52.5% for Q3 2025. Gross profit was $14.8 million for the third quarter of 2026, a decline of $8.7 million compared to last year. The primary driver is a lower industry crush margin, which declined $0.11 per gallon to $0.30 per gallon in Q3, 2026, compared to $0.41 per gallon in the prior year quarter, negatively impacting the change in gross profit by $6.5 million. Of this swing, $4.9 million is reflected in our change in net realized derivative losses as part of cost of goods sold, as we established corn hedges to bridge the period of time between contracting the corn and grinding it. This allows us to capture the approximate market crash margin at the point of sale in our gross profit.

SG&A expenses were $7.8 million, an increase of $1.3 million due primarily to inflationary impacts on compensation and benefit costs, higher professional fees associated with our efforts to qualify for additional 45Z credits, and business development costs as we assess options to further improve our production processes and modernize our facilities. For the third quarter, we recognized $7.6 million in 2026 vintage 45Z tax credit earnings, bringing our year-to-date total to $15.8 million net of estimated transaction costs. We expect to fully monetize these 2026 credits in the first half of 2027. As a result of our efforts to continue lowering our carbon scores, we now project the Columbia facility to qualify for $0.30 per gallon and the Pecan Dry Mill to qualify for $0.20 per gallon on a gross credit basis.

Together with $90 million or more of qualifying gallons, we now expect to generate a minimum of $20 million in net tax credit earnings this year. Interest expense for the quarter amounted to $1.5 million, a reduction of $1.3 million on lower outstanding debt balances. Our tax provision remained at zero as we expect to use a portion of our NOLs to offset taxable income this year. We are pleased to report adjusted EBITDA was a robust $21 million this quarter.

Turning to our balance sheet and capital allocation, in the third quarter, we generated $13 million of positive cash flow from operations, which supported a $6.5 million paydown on our line of credit and $4 million in additional CapEx. Year-to-date, we have reduced our total debt by $26.5 million and spent $16 million on CapEx, and we remain on track to spend $25 million on CapEx this year. At quarter end, our cash balance was $24 million, and our total borrowing availability was $108 million. Over the past four quarters, we have been keenly focused on strengthening our balance sheet and on expanding our funding capacity to support investments in our production assets. Through deliberate actions to manage our liquidity and with improving profitability and positive cash flow from operations, over the last 12 months, we've reduced our term debt by $30 million, resulting in lower debt servicing costs going forward by approximately $4.3 million annually.

With that, I will turn the call back to Brian.

15:00

Bryon McGregorPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Rob. Looking ahead, industry's tailwinds are supporting healthy ethanol demand and strengthening our strategic position. The outlook for E15 improved meaningfully in September when California enacted legislation clearing the way for E15 sales in the state. California is one of the nation's largest gasoline markets, and we believe if E15 could add an an estimated 600 million gallons or more of annual ethanol demand as adoption ramps up.

Together with year-round E15 and several Midwestern states, this sets the stage for a more favorable margin environment and improved industry utilization. Our Columbia plan and Western marketing and distribution capabilities position Alto well to serve this market. On top of the earnings power of our core operations, 45Z tax credits provide incremental cash to strengthen our balance sheet and invest in growth.

With increased production at Pekin and our farmer partnerships, we expect to qualify more gallons and further lower our carbon scores, which should drive additional 45Z tax credit earnings.

Today, having completed a strategic realignment over the past three years, Alto is in a strong position to create value. Our cost structure is leaner, our operating model is working as intended, and our diversified production portfolio is unlocking premium value opportunities.

Near-term, our capital priority is high-return projects that expand capacity and improve efficiency. Longer-term, we will pursue additional ways to monetize our CO2 revenue stream relative to alternatives. In summary, we are well-positioned to benefit from favorable industry fundamentals fundamentals, and are executing plans to grow, drive profitability, and build shareholder value. Kim, we're ready to begin the Q&A session.

Operator?

Questions and answers

17:17

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Eric Stein with Craig Hallam.

17:59

Eric StineAnalyst, Craig Hallum

Hi, Brian. Hi, Rob. Hey. Hey, so maybe just starting with your CO2 initiatives, Brian, there at the end, you just mentioned that beyond what you're doing currently, longer term, you know, looking at things like sequestration, increased utilization, central U. S. , et cetera.

18:21

Bryon McGregorPresident and Chief Executive Officer

So, maybe although you've got some things that are more near-term on your plate maybe an update on those initiatives longer term Sure So as you know we have existing relationships with gas companies particularly Pekin, and well as well as all of our facilities that are operating. And there's an opportunity to be able to work with them, particularly with changes that were made to the program, to be able to earn credits both for utilization and sequestration.

So we're working with those parties to make sure that we have a program in place and to minimize the amount of new capital spend required in order to be able to maximize the value. That said, we certainly produce more than what we've used historically, and we vent a lot of that CO2. So the opportunities ahead of us are to be able to bring that to bear and generate revenues off of those and turn what is otherwise a vented CO2 into a revenue stream and a profitable one at that. And that is really the area of focus on the long term, is being able to do that in a capitally efficient way.

19:42

Eric StineAnalyst, Craig Hallum

okay and so just to be clear i mean so it does sound like initiatives they're underway to some extent but i mean you're not looking anything close to what some of the capex numbers you might have had in the past when you were talking about some of these initiatives um carbon capture and sequestration yeah i mean it's not as if those aren't possibilities but the idea is to be capital efficient.

20:10

Bryon McGregorPresident and Chief Executive Officer

And as you think about where we spend capital, whether it's in expansion in production, whether it's in expansion and capture of CO2, we're going to weigh each one of those opportunities against the other alternatives and make sure that we optimize the investment opportunity.

20:31

Eric StineAnalyst, Craig Hallum

Okay, good. Thanks for that. And then, you know, interested in the agreement, this first agreement with the co-op for Pekin. And just to clarify, I'm not sure if you gave a specific percentage of what that covers of Pekin, but, you know, just curious now with this first one in hand, more clarity in the market, what type of reception are you seeing from farmers to expand this across PECAN and then potentially across the rest of your platform?

21:04

Bryon McGregorPresident and Chief Executive Officer

There's certainly a lot of interest, and we are, as you know, we're not the only ethanol producer in and around our area. And so along with other competitors, we have engaged in discussions and agreements to be able to make sure that we're sharing some of those incentives for them to be able to make those investments on-farm in low-carbon initiatives.

And so the amount that we would share depends on how much they bring to the table with regards to savings and that we can actually convert into 45Z credits. But, you know, we remain optimistic. We're excited about it. The farmers are excited about it. And really it's just, you know, what's the best way for them to be able to optimize the value and the opportunity for them to be able to bring that value to the table. Anything else you want to add, Rob?

22:13

Robert OlanderChief Financial Officer

Yeah, no, just to address your question about the size. As a reminder, it's a three-year agreement with the cooperative for up to 20 million bushels of low-CI corn. And as Brian said, we are continuing to engage with other farmers to address the rest of our low-carbon intensity needs. And as Brian said, it is a sliding scale. We will be sharing the benefits of any 45Z credits with our farmer partners. and we expect modest impact for the 2026 year, but a lot of the CSA or carbon smart ag practices to start after this year's harvest.

22:57

Eric StineAnalyst, Craig Hallum

Okay, thank you for that.

23:03

Our next question comes from Ben Cleave with Stonex.

23:09

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, StoneX

All right, thanks for taking my questions and congratulations on a nice quarter coming off of a tough comp here. I want to follow up the previous conversation here on the relationships now you have in place with farmers and I'm curious about a couple of things. First of all, can you talk about the relative ease of which you think you're going to be able to also secure these types of agreements for low carbon corn for grain destined to your Western assets?

I'm just wondering if it's a lot easier for you to negotiate here with your neighbors in Illinois than for somebody that's maybe not necessarily right next door.

23:50

Bryon McGregorPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So there's a couple items in there. So as you apply the smart options that are available, right, everything from first is around registration and making sure you're capturing the information. And for that, that's a fairly easy lift, I think, for farmers. But as you try and move either up or down, depending on how you're looking at it, to reduce your carbon score, they become much more challenging. And you've got to be doing cover crops and low nitrogen applications, things like that. Those will become more challenging, but still achievable. And we think that those, if you look across the industry, you know, for most of the dollar that's available, you know, up to 40 cents of that would be 40 to 50 cents of that would be eligible for sharing with farmers.

and so you know if you translate that for a farmer times that times you know 2.9 gallons per bushel of corn and that's a significant benefit for them and so you can see why there's incentive to do that and that would apply to both those who we're working with locally either in Illinois or for those that you know we also have a significant amount of local corn that's available up in the Columbia, in the Pacific Northwest, you know, western Washington area and western Oregon. So those are discussions that we're having, but then there's also potentially eligible applications that you can use for the real corn that comes in, as long as you can trace it.

And then there's still clarifications that need to be made around some of the rules as to how that's applied. Rob, anything that I missed?

25:38

Robert OlanderChief Financial Officer

Yeah, no, I agree with Brian, you know, specifically to how it pertains to Columbia, even though the majority of corn is not so sourced locally like it is for our peaking campus, you know, the farmers in the Midwest also want to participate in this program, and we will be working with our grain merchandising partners to pursue that avenue as well.

26:02

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, StoneX

Got it, got it, very helpful. I look forward to having, learning more about this in the quarters to come. One more from me, and then I'll get back in line here is around the dynamic you talked about in your prepared remarks regarding the contract you had for exported volumes and the kind of relative margin dynamic between domestic and exports. Can you talk about, can you kind of quantify the degree to which that was a challenge here within the third quarter or year to date? Challenge is the wrong word, but can you quantify kind of the, you know, the delta of your profit that maybe you had from having to force your production into the export market versus being able to capitalize on the domestic market?

I'm going to let Rob go first on this, and then I'll fill in some of the details behind the scenes if I need to.

26:57

Robert OlanderChief Financial Officer

Yeah, you're referring to the renewable fuel exports volume. Is that correct, Ben?

27:03

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, StoneX

That's correct.

27:05

Robert OlanderChief Financial Officer

Okay. Yeah. So that volume was definitely down quarter over quarter. We capitalized on that last year. But since then, you know, the kind of the global, even though global export demand remains strong, Brazil has really been the lower cost supplier this year. And so that means really for the second half of 2026 is being met by their ethanol. And so what that does is even though the European demand is strong and global exports are high, that is helping to maintain balance in the domestic markets where for Alto, we can actually get a better value for our product selling it domestically until that that arbitrage opens back up And we do think that there will be an opportunity to be competitive with Brazil again in 2027 Got it.

27:57

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, StoneX

Okay. Very good. Well, I appreciate you taking my questions. Congratulations again on a good quarter, and I'll get back in line. Thank you.

28:05

Our next question comes from Samir Joshi with HC Rainwhite.

28:16

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, HC Rainwater

Hey, good afternoon, Brian, Rob. Thanks for taking my questions. Many of the questions I had have been answered, but just a clarification on the expected 45Z during 2026. I think it is $20 million, and I think $16.6 as of 3Q is already booked. And I also heard a $15.8 million number. So I just wanted to understand what are we expecting in 4Q, just that clarification for now.

28:52

Robert OlanderChief Financial Officer

Yeah, I can take that, Brian. The difference in the number, the 16.6 is the total tax credit earnings that we've recognized year to date in 2026, but about a million of that was related to the final monetization of 2025 credits. So really the 15.7 that we talked about year to date that we've recorded is associated with just the 2026 vintage year tax credits.

And, you know, since you brought it up, I'd just like to point out that, you know, the increase in the 45Z credit expectations really reflects the progress of us working hard to lower our CI scores. And, you know, because of those efforts and those investments in our production processes and lowering our carbon footprint, we've updated the calculations. And that's why for Columbia that they now qualify for $0.30 per gallon of gross credits, which is up from the $0.20 per gallon that they calculated out to through the second quarter. The peak in dry mill is still targeting at $0.20 a gallon.

For the year, we do expect to realize a minimum of $20 million net of monetization costs for the full year of 2026. And we fully expect to monetize those credits in the first half of 2027.

30:14

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, HC Rainwater

Got it. Understood. Thanks for that clarification. And my second question was actually going to be around that 30 cents and 20 cents for Columbia and PECAN, respectively. Just to make sure, the CI scores that they relate to do not take into account any of the low-carbon CI corn. corn.

30:48

Robert OlanderChief Financial Officer

Yes, that is correct. That is correct. The LCIC or low-carbon intensity corn will be incremental to what we are seeing today.

30:59

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, HC Rainwater

Okay. And then we expect more than a few of these agreements coming in the rest of the year and 2027 with these co-ops of more farmers, right?

31:11

Robert OlanderChief Financial Officer

That's correct.

31:12

Bryon McGregorPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Correct. That is our intent. So to just be clear, if it wasn't already, when Rob says it's incremental, it's in addition to what otherwise we're already capturing. So it's what the farmers bring to the table and then what we're able to monetize and apply through our system, which they'll share.

31:34

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, HC Rainwater

And then this last one, I think you already addressed, but just a clarification. I think the capex for this year was year-to-date is 16 and targeting 25. So what is the – or maybe correct me if I'm wrong there – but what is being planned in 4Q? Is it the second phase of the dock repairs, or is there anything else in there as well?

32:01

Robert OlanderChief Financial Officer

Yeah, no, you're correct. We've incurred about $16 or $17 million year-to-date through Q3. We are still on track for $25 million for the full year. Q4 will include the peak and dock repairs and also the addition of the second alcohol loadout dock, as well as the third CO2 storage tank at Columbia.

32:26

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, HC Rainwater

Oh, so the CO2 tank is coming up, or at least the TAPEX for that is during this quarter. That's good to know. Okay.

Yeah, I think that's all I have. I will take my other questions offline. Thanks.

32:40

Unidentified Management

Great.

32:41

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, HC Rainwater

Thank you. Thanks, Camille.

32:45

Our next question comes from Justin Dopier-Ala with Domo Capital Management.

32:53

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Domo Capital Management

Good afternoon. Fantastic quarter.

32:56

Bryon McGregorPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Justin.

32:57

Robert OlanderChief Financial Officer

Thanks, Justin.

32:58

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Domo Capital Management

How are you? Doing well. So a couple questions. I think there's a lot of concern in the market last quarter. when you mentioned, you know, when you announced the ATM that could potentially dilute shareholders. I was just wondering if you could update us on how many shares you've sold and what we should expect on that moving forward.

33:18

Bryon McGregorPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah.

33:18

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Domo Capital Management

Yeah, we have two questions.

33:20

Bryon McGregorPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Go ahead, Rob.

33:22

Robert OlanderChief Financial Officer

Okay. Yeah, again, you know, as I said before, we view the ATM really as a flexible capital markets tool. It's not something that we need to use every quarter, and we have not used the ATM yet. We didn't believe that issuing shares was necessary or in the best interest of the shareholders, given our current strong liquidity position and the healthy market fundamentals.

However, we will continue to evaluate the ATM based on what our capital needs are, the share price, and the potential uses of that capital.

33:58

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Domo Capital Management

Got it. So it's not something you were contemplating in the $5 range and now here at $3, $4, I'm sure it's the similar thinking.

Got it. Perfect. And then last question. I just want to piggyback on the Brazilian, the export situation. I'm just curious. So you expect the arbitrage situation potentially change again in 2027. And is that because of, I know after the Brazilian election, the real is significantly depreciated. So is that one of the main reasons you're expecting to resume exports to Europe in 2027, or are there some other dynamics going on?

34:44

Bryon McGregorPresident and Chief Executive Officer

That's certainly part of it. You know, it's a bit of a complex calculus, but it, you know, as Robin mentioned, and I think it's kind of a high-level way to explain it, is that when you take into account the exchange rates, prices of sugar, alternative uses for ethanol that comes out of Brazil in relation to and largely driven by sugarcane versus what is produced by corn, both here and in Brazil, when you take that all into account, historically or a year ago, the U. S. and particularly our product was incredibly attractive and thus accounted for a significant amount of sales that we made into Europe last summer and fall and actually six months into this year.

But that arbitrage opportunity, as Rob described it, had closed. And then Justin, you're right. With the recent elections, we saw significant changes in the exchange rate between U. S. dollar and the real. And so that certainly starts to open the door. And then you also have to think about when supplies are available, at what time are their volumes in excess, and when are they in need of product in Brazil for their domestic consumption. So all those things kind of go in together, but that's what gives us optimism around looking into 2027 and as we're in discussions with various parties for that product.

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Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Domo Capital Management

Thank you.

36:26

Robert OlanderChief Financial Officer

Thanks, Justin.

36:28

Unidentified AnalystAnalyst, Domo Capital Management

Okay.

36:28

Thank you, Justin. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Brian McGregor, CEO, for any closing remarks. Go ahead, Brian.

36:43

Bryon McGregorPresident and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Operator. Thanks to everyone for joining us today. We look forward to meeting with investors at the Greg Hallam Alpha Select Conference on November 17th and the StoneX 101 Conference on December 10th. Have a great day.

36:57

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