COHU (COHU) Q1 2026 earnings call transcript

Transcript, summary, guidance, and what analysts pressed on from the COHU Inc. call on April 30, 2026.

Held
April 30, 2026
Length
52 min
Tone
Confident0.82
Analysts
7
Words
6,623
Q2 revenue guidance
$144 million ± $7 million15% sequential growth
FY2026 revenue growth
20%-25%increased outlook
FY2026 HPC revenue
$80 million-$100 millionincreased from $60 million-$85 million
FY2026 gross margin
Mid-40% rangeramp-related pressure
FY2026 software revenue
Approximately $3 millionmore than 200% growth
FY2026 Neon HBM revenue
Approximately $20 million80% year-over-year growth
Software ARR
Approximately $1.2 million1.3% attachment rate
FY2026 capital expenditures
2% of revenuetarget

Summary

Management framed Q1 as validation of accelerating HPC demand, while acknowledging near-term margin dilution and execution constraints from rapid Eclipse scaling.

  • $750M$750 million computing SAM spans 12 customers, with five in qualification and seven in early engagement.
  • $200M$200 million of qualified opportunities should complete qualification in 2026, but revenue is largely expected in 2027.
  • $80M2026 HPC revenue increased to $80 million-$100 million after an Eclipse qualification expanded the near-term opportunity.
  • Q3 revenue should resemble Q2, while Q4 may decline by low-single-digit percentage sequentially.

Guidance

  • $144M$144 million ± $7 million Q2 revenue
  • 44%44% Q2 gross margin
  • 20%20%-25% FY2026 revenue growth
  • 0%Mid-40% FY2026 gross margin
  • $53M$53 million Q2 operating expenses
  • $50MLow-$50 million quarterly operating expenses through year-end
  • 2%2% of revenue FY2026 capital expenditures
  • $80M$80 million-$100 million FY2026 HPC revenue
  • $20MApproximately $20 million FY2026 Neon HBM revenue
  • $70MApproximately $70 million FY2026 inspection and metrology revenue
  • $3MApproximately $3 million FY2026 software revenue

What analysts pressed on

  • 01$10 million Q2 HPC systems increase represents just under half of sequential revenue growth.
  • 0240% systems gross margin versus 50% recurring gross margin should persist, with cost pressure outweighing mix benefits.
  • 03$150 million-$200 million Eclipse qualifications are targeted for 2026, but management expects most revenue in 2027.
  • 0414-week thermal-handler cycle time is capacity-dependent, with lead times varying by backlog size and order magnitude.
  • 052027 growth is expected, but management declined to quantify its rate until another quarter or two.
  • 06M&A remains active but valuations are elevated, prompting continued buy-versus-build discipline.

Notable disclosures

  • $1.2M$1.2 million software ARR represents only 1.3% of installed systems, leaving substantial attachment-rate upside.
  • Approximately 12 months after system shipments, warranty expiration should begin spares, service, and ThermoHead recurring revenue.
  • $200M$200 million of qualified opportunities consists entirely of Eclipse thermal-handler applications.
  • $750MSilicon-photonics contactors are a beachhead opportunity excluded from the $750 million computing SAM.
  • 14-week handler cycle time excludes the longer shipment schedule for large, multi-unit orders.

Risks raised

  • Eclipse supply-chain and production ramp costs are expected to pressure margins through 2026.
  • Thermal-handler lead times could delay 2026 revenue as additional customers layer onto the backlog.
  • Qualification timing, production ramps, and revenue-recognition rules could push opportunities from Q4 2026 into 2027.
  • Higher energy, freight, and memory-IC costs each contribute approximately 10 basis points of pressure.
  • Q4 revenue may decline by low-single-digit percentage sequentially due to seasonality.

Tone: Confident 0.82

The tone was strongly positive on HPC demand and bookings, tempered by qualification timing, manufacturing constraints, and near-term gross-margin pressure.

Who spoke

Company

  • Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer
  • Luis MüllerPresident and CEO
  • Matt HuttonVP of Strategy and Investor Relations

Analysts

  • Brian ChinAnalyst, Stiefel
  • David DooleyAnalyst, Steelhead Securities
  • Craig EllisAnalyst, V-Reilly Securities
  • Robert MertensAnalyst, TD Cowan
  • Christian SchwabAnalyst, Craig Hallam
  • Dennis PiatchininAnalyst, Needham
  • Vedvadi ShrotraAnalyst

Full transcript

Analyst questions are marked with a bar. Timestamps are into the recording.

Prepared remarks

00:00

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to COHU's first quarter 2026 financial results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.

00:28

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

I would now like to hand the conference over to Jeff Jones, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead. Good afternoon and welcome to our conference call discussing COHU's first quarter 2026 financial results and our outlook for the second quarter of 2026. I'm joined today by Luis Mueller, COHU's President and CEO, and Matt Hutton, COHU's VP of Strategy and Investor Relations. If you need a copy of our earnings release, it can be found on our website at cohu. com or by contacting COHU Investor Relations.

A slide presentation accompanying today's call is also available in the Investor Relations section of the website. Replays of this call will be accessible via the same page after the conclusion of the call. During this call, we will be making forward-looking statements that reflect management's current expectations concerning COHU's future business. These statements are based on information available to us at this time, but they are subject to rapid and sometimes abrupt changes.

We encourage everyone to review the forward-looking statement section of our slide presentation and the earnings release, as well as COHU's filings with the SEC, including the most recently filed Form 10-K and Form 10-Q. Our comments are current as of today, April 30, 2026, and COHU does not assume any obligation to update these statements for events occurring after this call. Additionally, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures during this call. Please refer to our earnings release and slide presentation for the reconciliation to the most comparable GAAP measures.

Now I'd like to turn the call over to Luis Mueller, COHU's President and CEO. Luis?

02:20

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

Good day, everyone. Thank you for joining our Q1 2026 earnings call. We started the year with strong momentum across multiple product lines with orders up 57% year-over-year, reflecting both improved semiconductor market conditions and the increasing relevance of our technology portfolio across AI and high-performance compute applications. An important driver of this momentum is the expansion of AI workloads and inference processing, driving greater computing power density that has become a primary bottleneck.

AI accelerators and HPC processors generate immense amounts of heat during operation. Testing these chips requires maintaining precise temperature environments to ensure functional accuracy and long-term reliability. If a chip is tested at the wrong temperature, its performance metrics may be skewed, leading to lower yields or worse, latent field failures. As a result, COHU's proprietary and industry-leading thermal capabilities are highly valued by customers. Based on current engagements and design activity, we now see a computing segment opportunity pipeline of approximately $750 million, including roughly $650 million in test handlers and an additional $100 million from HBM inspection, and both growing at rapid rates. For fiscal 2026, we're now increasing our high-performance computing revenue outlook to approximately $80 to $100 million.

We are emboldened by the opportunity pipeline across 12 customers, with five customers in qualification stage and another seven in early engagement stage. During the first quarter, we continue to benefit from rising device complexity, higher power density, and accelerating AI adoption, trends that are reshaping test, inspection, and manufacturing requirements across the semiconductor value chain. In fact, semiconductor value is moving to the mid and the back-end manufacturing, driving substantial growth in the test arena. The estimated semiconductor test serialization also increased sequentially to 78% at the end of the first quarter. Automotive and industrial markets are gradually improving again as customers started investing in test capital. Many of our customers are broadening their product portfolio to serve AI data centers, as these transition to 800-volt DC infrastructure and more power management-efficient solutions with Gallium Nitri technology at RackScale's server board, such as the new Vera Rubin platform.

Across each of these applications, our customers are prioritizing quality, performance, and scalability. At the same time, software platform gained traction as analytics moved from pilot deployments into broader production environments. These wins validate both the technical performance of our solution and the growing appetite for software-enabled yield and productivity investments. There's a significant SAM opportunity for COHU in this space and a significant lifetime value in software subscription. This is illustrated well in the first quarter, when a $20 million system order came together with $330,000 a year of software subscription, which over the course of the lifetime of these systems could yield approximately $5 million in recurring revenue. The financial implication of this shift is twofold.

First, software subscriptions provide high margin, recurring revenue that is less susceptible to capex cycles. Second, by improving overall equipment efficiency and reducing mean time to repair for customers, we build deep operational stickiness that makes it difficult for competitors to displace our systems. I would now like to highlight a few customer wins in the first quarter. Starting with our test handler business, we've orders up 54% year over year. We secured two major Eclipse orders in the first quarter. The first win supports AI data center applications with a U. S. fabulous customer developing server and inference devices. As power density and mechanical complexity increase, Eclipse, combined with our T-Core active thermal control, enables the customer to standardize on a common handler platform across multiple device generations.

This reduces capital risk while extending the life and value of the install bays. Closed loop junction temperature control was a key differentiator, ensuring consistent temperature test quality, higher yields, and faster production ramps. In addition, the customer is adopting COHU's base prescriptive analytics software to improve equipment efficiency, increasing system value, enabling recurrent revenue for COHU, and strengthening long-term engagement. Again, strategically, this win deepens our computing footprint, embeds Eclipse into the customer's roadmap, and positions us as the platform of record, representing an estimated $100 million incremental revenue opportunity at this account over the next three years. The second order supports data center computing, mobile, and automotive processors, and another EOS-based Fabless customer using the Eclipse platform.

Our solution allows both the customer and their OSATs to address multiple markets while leveraging T-Core thermal control to maximize yield and asset utilization. Together, these strengthen our engagement across high-performance computing and AI markets, driving near-term system revenue and long-term platform, software, and recurring value growth. Our customer engagement for Eclipse expanded in the first quarter with an additional five customers in different stages of qualification, representing an incremental $200 million of revenue opportunity starting late this year and into next year. We are very bullish about the customer traction and the growing opportunities to expand our presence in the $750 million high-performance computing market.

These opportunities are rapidly taking shape as compute power increases and with the need to actively manage silicon junction temperature at higher power and power densities. Now, turning to our inspection and metrology business with orders up 64% year over year. In HBM memory, we continue to see stronger mentor for final inspection of HBM3 and HBM4. We're investing in this market and keeping pace with design requirements to support next-generation HBM5. We're now forecasting revenue growing 80% year-over-year to approximately $20 million with our Neon HBM platform. In the first quarter, we also secured a significant volume repeat order for our EON inspection system from a U. S. headquarter and also from a Korean customer.

Our inspection business is growing fast, and we estimate revenue at approximately $70 million this year. Semiconductor test orders recorded an impressive 163% increase year over year. Headlines around AI infrastructure typically focus on the massive compute devices required to train and run large language models, along with the memory and networking technologies that enable scale across the data center. Less visible, but equally critical, is power delivery. Every AI system depends on precise, efficient power management to sustain peak performance. This is where the DiamondX precision instrumentation becomes decisive.

Our tester was qualified for testing power devices, strategically expanding our footprint in AI-related applications, and embedding it more deeply into our customer's roadmap. As power density increases, customers are implementing GAN-based technology to minimize energy loss and thermal impact. While GAN offers a clean efficiency advantage, it remains less mature than traditional CMOS, creating technical and economic challenges as customers scale production to meet data center demand.

Moving to our interface solutions group, we've seen increased adoption of our higher current contactors for AI power applications at existing customers. We also expanded our product offering and received multi-unit order for a new silicon photonic solution. These photonic switches formed the backbone of cloud and AI Ethernet fabric, and we're now testing them.

In closing, Q1 was a strong start for the year and a clear validation of our strategy. We see momentum rapidly build across AI infrastructure, high-performance compute, power management, and smart manufacturing, driven by rising device complexity and increasing power density. Our expanding presence in thermal handling, advanced inspection, precision test, and high-value software is translating into larger platform wins, recurrent revenue opportunities, and deeper customer engagement. With a million computing segment opportunity in front of us and improving utilization across our core markets we are accelerating our investments to capture new customers and we are expanding production capacity to move confidently through the remainder of this year and into 2027 These secular tailwinds combined with disciplined execution and continued investment in innovation position COHU to deliver durable value for our customers and shareholders Thank you for your continued support.

I will now turn the call over to Jeff for a deeper review of our financial results and forward-looking guidance. Jeff?

13:21

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

Thank you, Luis. Before reviewing the first quarter results and providing second quarter guidance, please note that my comments refer to non-GAAP figures. Details about non-GAAP financial measures, including GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliations and other disclosures, are included in the earnings release and investor presentation on our website. For Q1, 2026, revenue exceeded midpoint of guidance at $125.1 million. Recurring revenue, driven primarily by consumables and typically more stable than systems revenue, represented 60% of total revenue. No customer accounted for more than 10% of total sales during the quarter. Gross margin was 46.5%, above guidance, primarily reflecting a more favorable mix as recurring revenue exceeded our forecast. Operating expenses were higher than guidance at $55 million, reflecting our decision to scale resources to support the rapid increase in high-performance compute opportunities.

This included accelerated spending on design materials as well as incremental engineering and field support to fulfill production orders and complete new opportunity qualifications.

Net interest income after interest expense and a small foreign currency loss was approximately $2.1 million. The Q1 tax provision was lower than guidance at $4.8 million. Now moving to the balance sheet. Cash and investments increased approximately $5 million during Q1 to $489 million, and cash from operations was $10 million. No stock repurchases were completed during the quarter. Total debt is $305 million and includes $288 million from the Q4 2025 convertible debt offering. Capital expenditures were approximately $2 million, mainly for facility improvements and IT equipment. We're targeting total capital expenditures to be about 2% of revenue in 2026.

Looking ahead, we expect Q2 revenue to increase 15% sequentially and 34% year-over-year to approximately $144 million, plus or minus $7 million. The increase is driven by demand tied to the ramp and high-performance compute opportunities and continued recovery in automotive and industrial segments. We're increasing our full year 2026 revenue outlook for growth over last year of 20 to 25%. Q2 gross margin is projected to be approximately 44%. For the full year 2026, we project gross margin in the mid 40% range as we ramp our supply chain and production capacity to support the rapid business expansion in high performance computing customers. Operating expenses are expected to be lower than Q1 at about $53 million. We intend to continue investing in resources to capitalize on the growing list of HPC opportunities, and we expect quarterly operating expenses through the balance of the year to remain in the low $50 million range, consistent with our Q2 guidance.

Net interest income in Q2 after interest expense and foreign currency impacts is projected to be approximately $2 million at current interest rates. The Q2 tax provision is expected to be about $5.3 million, and diluted shares are projected to be approximately $52.6 million, including $4.2 million shares attributable to the convertible debt. And of that amount, 3.3 million shares will be fully offset by the capped call, but are required for U. S. GAAP diluted EPS calculations.

In summary, our operational focus for 2026 is to support R&D investments and production ramp needed to secure multiple design wins in the compute market, including AI data center infrastructure, HBM memory, and physical AI applications, while progressively increasing free cash flow generation. That concludes our prepared remarks, and now we'll open the call to questions. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question at this time, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again.

Questions and answers

18:15

Brian ChinAnalyst, Stiefel

Our first question comes from Brian Chin with Stiefel. Hi there, good afternoon. Thanks for letting us ask a few questions. So, a lot here, but in a good way. Maybe firstly, breaking down the guidance for 2Q, 15% Q&Q growth. Can you maybe give a sense how much of that is the ramping new HPC customer business versus maybe ramp in the broader base business, if that makes sense? And also tied to that, of the maybe $100 million, if you were to sign up no more new customers through the end of the year, that $100 million, how much of that still remains to be revenue through the second half?

19:01

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

Yeah, so at least on your first point here, Brian, the quarter-over-quarter increase in HPC systems revenue was about $10 million. So it's just under half of our increase quarter-over-quarter. And that puts us then for HPC, at least systems revenue, in the first half of 2026 at roughly about $30 million.

I think that pretty much answers the second part of the question of what's left for the second half right there.

19:49

Brian ChinAnalyst, Stiefel

Exactly.

19:50

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

I can do that math. Thank you.

19:53

Brian ChinAnalyst, Stiefel

Okay, that's helpful. And in terms of the – how are you thinking about – and this maybe could mature over time or on higher volume, but how should we think about the system margin contribution, gross margin relative to the overall blended average company? Yeah, what we saw in Q1 was a gross margin split of roughly 50% on recurring, roughly 40% on systems.

20:30

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

So I think we're going to hold that for the balance of the year. The system's revenue percentage will increase. Well, the system's revenue is going to increase faster than the recurring.

And so that is why we see, you know, the 46.5 gross margin in Q2 hitting a little bit of a headwind in the second half. And so we think we're going to end the year somewhere in the mid 40% gross margin.

21:06

Brian ChinAnalyst, Stiefel

Okay, great. And then maybe one other question. You talked about sort of this pipeline where you have three customers. Was that $100 million kind of the aggregation of this year, or is that over a multi-year horizon?

21:24

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

No, the qualified 100 million is sort of this year's spend from these customers. Now, like I said, we're probably going to be getting a portion of that this year, not the entirety of it this year.

21:42

Brian ChinAnalyst, Stiefel

Yeah, like an annualized sort of potential.

21:46

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

Yeah.

21:46

Brian ChinAnalyst, Stiefel

With the other five customers, are they kind of equal size within that 150 to 200 million? Or how would you sort of gauge which ones are like further along or less far along in terms of ones that could be contributors even to the back end of this year?

22:10

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

Yeah, they're not all equal size, Brian. I mean, we got, you know, kind of a $10 to $40 million spread, depending on the customer here on an annual basis, the way we see it. We expect to be getting some qualifications completed by early Q3. The question is, do we then have an opportunity to get orders and participate on demands still in 2026? Does our lead time support that as well or not? And so it's hard to call right now if it's going to end up hitting revenue in Q4, plus obviously revenue recognition as well. You've got to account for accounting rules, or if this is going to end up spilling more like early 2027 at this point.

22:58

Brian ChinAnalyst, Stiefel

Great. And then maybe a good problem to have here, but in terms of where lead times for sort of the thermal test handler, T-Core, Eclipse, Where do you think you can kind of keep them this year?

23:13

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

That maybe will also, like you said, inform what the revenue could be this year versus what might have to be captured next year.

So we are operating at about a 14 weeks, I should say cycle time instead of saying lead time, on handlers right now, on our thermal handlers. I think a bit of the challenge is, you know, if you get a $30 million order, not all of it is going to ship in 14 weeks, as you can imagine. It's spread over several weeks, several months. And as we start layering additional customers, we are working hard here to open that manufacturing pipeline, both from a supply chain side, meeting regularly now with suppliers and understanding who are the choke points, particularly for our thermal heads. As well as internally, we are hiring resources in Malaysia. We're looking at relay out of the facility in Malaysia to open up more floor space.

So, you know, I can tell you 14-week cycle time, but lead time really largely depends on the size of the backlog we have in front of it.

24:21

Brian ChinAnalyst, Stiefel

Great. Thanks.

24:26

David DooleyAnalyst, Steelhead Securities

Our next question comes from David Dooley with Steelhead Securities. Yes, thanks for taking my questions. Congratulations on nice results, particularly the outlook. I was wondering, as far as your core business goes, all of your customers on the conference calls are really talking about how their AI data center business are ramping at very rapid growth rates, 50 to 100%. And I get the sense that that kind of filled, you know, all of the excess capacity that might have been pointed from those customers at other end markets.

And so I guess, are you hearing that from your customers that essentially that their AI businesses have kind of, you know, filled up their utilization rates and they're coming in for more larger volume purchase orders going forward? What I'm seeing more, Dave, is actually a bit of a pivot towards CPU, large CPU demand, ASIC, accelerators. We're seeing also network processing demand. And up until recently, a lot of it seemed to be very focused on a singular or largely a singular customer driving a lot of GPU capacity in the industry.

25:51

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

As of maybe a quarter ago, a little bit more than a quarter ago, that seems to be spreading out more broadly here. As inference is starting to pick up and sort of the realization we need more computing power going along with the GPU power that being deployed That more of what I seeing It sort of that spread out of demand for different types of processors and network processes inclusive Okay.

26:20

David DooleyAnalyst, Steelhead Securities

That kind of leads me to my next question. I think you used the term XPU, but basically CPUs, GPUs, XPUs, TPUs, whatever you want to call them.

26:33

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

Right. Right, of all sorts, all have high voltages, create a lot of heat. So all of these in-market customers that you hear about from the custom ASIC guys to the GPU guys to the CPU guys, All of them need some sort of temperature-controlled handling equipment for their processors, correct? That is correct.

And is that the market that you're referring to when you talk about the $750 million TAM? Is that kind of aggregating what most of these customers' thermally controlled temperature handler demand is? How do you come up with that $750 million? Yeah, by the way, we're not calling it necessarily a TAM. We're calling it more like a SAM, to be fair, because we have a pretty defined list of customer and customer device classes that we're telling up to 750 million. I think if we were to talk about a TAM, it's likely a bigger number, and we're not attempting to guess that, so we're not going there. We're being very targeted here to the list of 15 customers that we have tallied and customer applications that we have tallied up that comes up to the $750 million.

That's what it is. It's a very targeted list. We know what these customers have for buying pattern this year, and that's how we come up with that number. We also understand that some of these customers are ramping, so I guess the expectation is that SAM itself could be bigger next year.

But like I said, we're not trying to guess the TAM, the total available market. We're just guessing here from customer information what we see for their spending this year. Okay, and then final question for me is, could you just elaborate a little bit more on the silicon photonics and what exactly the application is you address there and how big a piece of business that could be, let's say, next year? I realize because we're just starting off now, but maybe just elaborate a little bit more on what you're seeing there. Thank you. Sure. That is really, I would call it a beachhead business at this point. We sold a number of interface, you know, we call it contactors, right, interface products here for silicon-photonic application at one of the large accounts.

You know, there's really two major drivers in the industry, I think, today and a few others. But these are interface products. So you're talking about sort of $10,000 or so contactors that we sold several of. We are working to provide solutions that include our handler with the contactors. But I'm not going to venture to guess what kind of revenue opportunity for 2027 that is at this point. It's not included, not really included in our $750 million at the moment.

29:44

David DooleyAnalyst, Steelhead Securities

Okay, but the point is, you know, you kind of got your foot in the door with the test contactors, and hopefully you can sell them a piece of capital equipment as well.

29:53

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

That is correct.

29:54

David DooleyAnalyst, Steelhead Securities

That's going to be a big market.

29:56

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

That is correct. Thank you, Luis. You're welcome, Dave.

30:01

Craig EllisAnalyst, V-Reilly Securities

Our next question comes from Craig Ellis with V-Reilly Securities. Yeah, thanks for taking the question, and congratulations on the revenue performance in the quarter and the outlet, guys. Luis, I wanted to start off just by understanding the specific drivers to the increase in HPC system revenues this year. This year, it looks like about a $20 million increase at the midpoints of the prior to the new expected range.

Can you just detail what's going on inside of that? Yeah, yeah.

30:40

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

Thanks, Greg. Thanks for the question. I think we finished the qualification. We're very successful on the qualification of the Eclipse at one particular account that sort of looked like, okay, we could capture a bigger share of the revenue in 2026. So we qualified, I guess, in time to catch the next round of orders, and that just increased the size of the pipeline for this year. That's just simply that.

31:09

Craig EllisAnalyst, V-Reilly Securities

Okay. And then nice to see orders up 62% quarter on quarter.

31:09

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

Can you help us with some color on where you're seeing that strength? Is there a propondence towards OSAP versus IDM? And do you expect to ship all those systems this year in any color on linearity would be helpful? Yeah. When we look at orders here, it's actually roughly, depending on the market segment you pick, it's about 30%, 40% increase year over year. There's one segment in particular that is driving, not surprisingly given what we're talking about here, it's computing, that it's up about 211% year over year. That's pretty much what's driving the business. Now, I do have to say the industrial segment is picking up a bit as well. That is also strong, came out pretty decently strong in the first quarter.

32:19

Craig EllisAnalyst, V-Reilly Securities

Okay, and regarding shipment timing for all those orders?

32:24

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

Yeah, so we see a ramp in Q3, and of course, some of that will fall into Q4 as well.

Got it. And then just going back to the point that the company is making on page seven of the deck where We've got the expanded AI computing pipeline with almost a half a billion in engagement and then 150 million to 200 million in qualification. Can you provide any color how quickly we can move some of that engagement activity into qualification and then through qualification? How much of that is really something that can convert in 2026 versus what you might have your eye on for 2027, guys?

I think at this point, Craig, it would be safe to say that we're working to complete the qualification of the about $200 million opportunity in 2026. As I mentioned earlier on a previous question, we'll see if we can get some of that revenue also in 2026, but largely 2027. On the balance here, the remaining $450 million, $500 million, those engagements are likely to move into QUAL later this year, beginning of 2027.

33:40

Craig EllisAnalyst, V-Reilly Securities

I don't expect it to be any sooner than that. Okay, so a way we could look at it would be you have an opportunity to convert a significant amount this year, but the larger percentage would be something that you could convert next year.

34:04

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

Is that right, Luis? That is right. That is right. And, you know, a qualification of these things take a good six months timeframe, and then from there, production ramp. I do have to point out a little bit here, too. Largely, the recurring portion of this is going to come out about a year after shipping systems, right? So you've got to remember, our system ship with about a year's warranty. Once that expires, you start getting the spares, the service. These devices typically have 18 months lifetime anyways. Thereafter, you start getting new kit orders. You start getting potentially new ThermoHead orders for upgrades.

It's high-performance computing, so those ThermoHeads are very specific to the application. Maybe you can use it across two generations, but the ThermoHeads themselves eventually you need to replace. So, you know, within a 12-month timeframe, we should start seeing the recurring revenue kicking in. And the recurring revenue, maybe it wasn't really clear on the slide here, is included on that $500 million bucket as well.

Okay. So, you've got a nice one, too, but with the second punch included in the chart. Yeah.

35:43

Craig EllisAnalyst, V-Reilly Securities

All right. Thanks, Luis. Thanks, Jeff.

35:47

Robert MertensAnalyst, TD Cowan

Our next question comes from Robert Mertens with TD Cowan. Hi, this is Robert Mertens on for Christian Sankar. Thanks for taking my questions. So I believe last quarter you had highlighted a Krypton inspection metrology system order for an automotive customer had transitioned into using some positive benefit in your inspection. And your inspection software subscription, and then also mentioning all the additional software opportunities during this March quarter.

I'm just trying to wrap my head around how we should think about the potential software opportunities throughout your business, if there's a specific platform or area that the software opportunity might be higher.

Yeah, sure, Rob.

36:41

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

The software right now is very much going kind of hand-in-hand with our sort of test handlers and inspection systems, so basically the automation pieces. We have an element of software we call PACE Inspection, goes in with the inspection platforms. It helps optimize yield of the inspection systems. And then we've got a PACE prescriptive that goes along with both test handlers as well as inspection metrology systems that help optimize overall equipment efficiency, optimize maintenance, predictability, and output of the factory.

So if you think about that software base, we are now currently at an ARR, you know, annual recurring revenue here, of about $1.2 million. So this is what we have sort of in bookings for annual subscription of software. The attachment rate of that subscription, it's still pretty low. It's really about 1.3% of our systems have a software subscription attached to it. So a low number, so plenty of room to grow. So, but as I pointed out here in the script, the value of that software is pretty big because if you get it in, like we got here in the example given, you know, $20 million system order, $330,000 of software annual subscription, through the lifetime of that product, that's about a $5 million of recurring revenue we're going to collect through the lifetime of the product at a pretty high margin, right?

So it's still a small piece of the business. It is a growing piece of the business. It's growing fast. I think we're expecting it to be close to $3 million in revenue this year. That's more than 200% growth year over year. But it does carry a really nice lifetime value recurring component to it that adds to our overall recurring business. Thank you Thank you I will now turn the call over to management for the Q2 We are seeing that pick up right now. Another interesting data point here, the industrial utilization at the end of Q1 was 79%. So it's right there at that capacity by threshold of 80%. Industrial is doing well. It had a good increase in orders quarter over quarter, and about half of the revenue growth quarter over quarter going into Q2.

On the RF side to your question, we're also seeing a bit of a pickup on RF tester orders sales in the second quarter. There is typically a seasonality. That seasonality tends to be late year, like Q4 to early Q1 when RF picks up. It's a little late here. We're going into Q2 and seeing a bit of a pickup in RF. I can't completely explain that to you. Why? And then obviously there are technology transition points that are major drivers in RF, one coming up in the next 18 months or so associated with FR3 or what's commonly known as 6G.

40:51

Robert MertensAnalyst, TD Cowan

Thank you. That's very helpful.

40:53

Christian SchwabAnalyst, Craig Hallam

Our next question comes from Christian Schwab with Craig Hallam. Great. Thanks for all the guidance and congratulations on giving multi-quarter guidance again.

My only question has to do with M&A. You know, previously we've talked about, you know, acquisitions, particularly possibly in recurring revenue streams that you were looking at and targeting. Can you give us an update on your thoughts on M&A currently? Hi, Christian.

41:36

Matt HuttonVP of Strategy and Investor Relations

Matt Hutton here. Yeah, so, I mean, we continue to look at opportunities, as you can imagine, from what Luis and Jeff highlighted. They're mostly opportunities in the reoccurring space, our growth areas. You know, we'll continue to be disciplined, look at buy versus build analysis, and look for opportunities. You know, unfortunately, a lot of the tailwinds that some of these companies are receiving, that we're receiving, they're also receiving. So, a lot of valuations remain elevated, but we'll continue to be disciplined and look at opportunities in our growth areas.

42:18

Christian SchwabAnalyst, Craig Hallam

Great. And then, Louise, given, you know, I know we're moving now to multi-quarter guidance here for 26, but given all the positive dynamics as well as, you know, future orders transitioning, you know, to revenue in 27 instead of 26, should we assume, you know, if all things remain consistent, That you'll grow in 27, your top line at the same rate that you expect to grow in 26?

42:54

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

We certainly expect growth in 27. I mean, we have that in a qualification bucket there of 150 to 200 million that will add to 2027. Also, pretty encouraged with overall test utilization getting very close to that 80% mark. So all things being equal, yeah, growth in 27. At what rate? We haven't tried to pencil that in yet, so we're going to reserve another quarter or two before we talk about that.

43:25

Christian SchwabAnalyst, Craig Hallam

Great. No other questions. Thank you. Thanks.

43:30

Dennis PiatchininAnalyst, Needham

Our next question comes from Dennis Piatchinin with Needham. Great, thank you. So prior to your HPC forecast was about 25 to 30 million for this year, and now you've moved it up to about 100 million. And I think in your presentation it said that about 30 million of the 100 or so would be eclipsed. So can you tell us about the remaining 50 to 70 million? Is that mostly testers? Is that other handlers?

43:53

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

Can you kind of break down that remainder, please? Yeah. Hey, let's back up a little bit. So initially we came out and we said HPC revenue in the 60 to $85 million range for 2026. What we're doing now is increasing that 60 to 85, we're increasing that to 80 to 100 million. Most of that relates to the Eclipse handler. The NEON for HBM inspection, We previously said it was 15 to 20. I think we're at the higher end now of that range.

And we're, you know, we are, as Luis had mentioned, in qualifications or fixed qualifications for our testers, also participating in some HPC revenue.

Does that help clarify?

44:53

Dennis PiatchininAnalyst, Needham

Yes, yes. Thank you. And so I think you, so you'd also said that you're now kind of expecting 2026 total revenue to be up 20 to 25%. So, I mean, if I kind of just run rate you at 144-ish million, basically for the rest of the year, you basically get to that number. So we're basically assuming revenue will be going flat from 144 through the rest of the year. Will there be a little bit of a dip in Q3? Is there anything more you can say about kind of the cadence of revenue?

45:25

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

Yeah, the way we see it now, Dennis, you know, we would expect Q3 to be pretty similar to Q2, somewhere in that 144, 145 range. Q4, you know, we could have some seasonality, so a slightly weaker Q4, maybe down single, single mid, single, single digit. It's a little bit, yeah, quarter over quarter.

45:59

Dennis PiatchininAnalyst, Needham

Great, that's helpful. Thank you. And lastly, maybe I think you had mentioned some further engagements with the US and Korean customers. Can you tell us more about that, please?

46:10

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

Yeah, we were talking about inspection and metrology business here. We saw a big increase in orders in inspection of metrology in the first quarter. In fact, let's see here, I think it's up year over year 64%. We are expecting that business to hit about $70 million in revenue this year. And, you know, what's driving that? One is HBM, which we're now guiding to about $20 million in a year. And the other one is just further demand for inspection products from both a U. S. and a Korean customer with large orders in the Q1 thing.

That's helpful.

46:58

Dennis PiatchininAnalyst, Needham

Thank you. That's it for me.

47:03

Vedvadi ShrotraAnalyst

Our next question comes from Vedvadi Shrotra. Hi, thanks for taking my question. So I kind of wanted to double click a little bit on the gross margin piece. So, you know, you have good RAMs on the HPC front in the second half. So like with the systems gross margins, like wouldn't they sort of pick up in second half versus first half?

47:30

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

Yeah, I think that's a good observation, Vee. However, we are incurring some higher initial costs here to ramp the Eclipse supply chain and production. It's coming at us very quickly. It's a new configuration, and so we're having to spend more money, more costs, again, on supply chain and production. I expect those costs to carry through almost probably through this year. So, 2027, you know, we'll see lower costs, particularly for Eclipse. On top of that, I think similar or in line with other companies, right, there's a small impact from higher energy and freight costs, you know, to the tune of about 10 basis points.

On top of that, we are also seeing higher cost of memory ICs that we use on our products. It's not a large, huge number, but it's about 10 basis points.

48:39

Vedvadi ShrotraAnalyst

I understand. Are those the drivers for the dip in 2Q on gross margins?

48:39

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

Is that like the, you know, 200 bps of a decline that you have? Can you maybe characterize what's cost-driven, what's kind of mix-driven? Well, yeah, it's kind of a combination here. It is definitely cost-driven, as I mentioned, for the Eclipse platform in terms of supply chain and production. And then, you know, to a certain extent, that also relates to mix, right? But I'd say cost first, mix second.

49:20

Vedvadi ShrotraAnalyst

Understood. Okay. And then in terms of R&D spend, how should we think about R&D intensity for the rest of the year? I would assume as you're going after these bigger markets, $750 million in SAM opportunities, essentially what's the right way to think about R&D intensity? I assume it will be higher, but maybe some color there.

49:50

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

Yeah, you bet. So I'm forecasting Q2 will be lower than Q1, but we're going to still be elevated from the model. So we're going to be about $53 million for Q2 operating expense. And that's because we are going to continue to invest in the resources to capitalize on these opportunities that we have in HPC. So I expect that sort of 53 or call it low, you know, low 50 million range to persist through the second half of this year. For OpEx. For OpEx. Yes, that's OpEx.

50:32

Vedvadi ShrotraAnalyst

Okay. And then the last one, on the, you know, on the qualifications you have on the pipeline, 150 to 200 million, how does that split, you know, or maybe the five customers, like how does that split Neon versus Eclipse opportunity?

50:48

Luis MüllerPresident and CEO

These are all Eclipse. These are all Eclipse thermal... I understand. ... thermal handler application to some form or another of a processor device.

51:02

Vedvadi ShrotraAnalyst

Understood. Yeah, that's all the questions I had. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks, Amy.

51:10

That concludes today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the call back to Jeff Jones for closing remarks.

51:16

Jeff JonesChief Financial Officer

Thank you very much. And before we sign off, I'd like to note that we'll be attending the following investor conferences during Q2. And those conferences are the TD Cowan conference on May 27th in New York City, Craig Hallam conference on May 28th in Minneapolis, the Stiefel conference on June 2nd in Boston, and the Evercore conference on June 3rd in San Francisco. If any of you plan on attending these conferences, please reach out to your conference contacts or let us know, and we will arrange for a one-on-one meeting.

So thank you for joining today's call. We look forward to speaking with you again very soon.

52:02

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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