Rollins (ROL) Q3 2026 earnings call transcript

Thank you, Lindsay. You may begin. Thank you, Sam, and good morning, everyone. In addition to the earnings release that we issued yesterday, the company has also prepared a supporting slide presentation. The earnings release and presentation are available on our website at www. Rollins. com. We have included certain non-GAAP financial measures as part of our discussion this morning. The non-GAAP reconciliations are available in the appendix of today's presentation as well as in our earnings release.

The company's earnings release and presentation contain certain forward-looking statements and discuss the business outlook. These particular forward-looking statements and all other statements that have been made on this call, excluding historical facts, are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from any statement we make today. Please refer to the cautionary statements in yesterday's press release, today's presentation, and the company's SEC filings, including the risk factors section of our Form 10-K for the year ended December 31st, 2025, and subsequent filings.

On the line with me today and speaking are Jerry Gayoff, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Will Harkins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Management will make some opening remarks, and then we'll open the line for your questions. Jerry, would you like to begin?

Thank you, Lindsay. Good morning, everyone. I want to begin with saying that our third quarter performance did not meet our expectations, and we are not satisfied with these results. The primary challenge continues to be pressure on residential customer acquisition. We now have a clearer understanding of what is driving this pressure and are working with urgency to address it.

The pattern has become clear. AI and LLM-driven search are meaningfully changing the way customers discover service providers. With additional data through the third quarter, we clearly see the impact of the changing search landscape, which drove continued deceleration and digital lead flow.

Ultimately, LOMs are recommending a wider range of pest control providers. Unlike with traditional search, these recommendations vary significantly across platforms, markets, and can even yield different results for the same search run on different days. The result is a more fragmented, variable, and dynamic customer discovery environment.

Importantly, moderating organic growth trends have not been broad-based across our portfolio. Brands that utilize relationship-driven customer acquisition channels, including direct sales, door-to-door marketing, and home builder partnerships, delivered stronger organic growth. Home Team and Fox, for example, continue to perform well, leveraging their door-to-door sales forces to deliver growth well above the overall company. These results highlight the strength of our diversified multi-brand approach and the benefits of having multiple channels to reach customers.

Additionally, our recurring residential customer base is healthy, with customer count continuing to grow in the third quarter and retention remaining strong. The relationships our frontline teammates build with customers are an important source of resilience, creating loyalty, and increasing retention over time. This underscores our confidence that pest control continues to be a large, growing, and highly attractive market, and we believe that the current pressure is a customer acquisition and discovery challenge, not a deterioration in underlying demand for our services.

While the slowdown was most pronounced in residential customer acquisition, we also experienced softer performance in portions of our termite ancillary and commercial businesses. The impact on our commercial businesses was fairly isolated to non-Organ brands and timing of certain one-time business. That being said, Orkin's commercial business continued to grow high single digits, reflecting the investments we have made there and expanding our commercial capabilities in our termite ancillary business growth was impacted to some degree by lower acquisition of new residential customers as these customers provide a source of future cross-sell opportunities within termite ancillary categories we also face staffing and capacity constraints in certain markets that limited our ability to fully capitalize on available opportunities we We have a large and attractive base of existing customers that provides runway for continued cross-sell within these categories.

We're also taking targeted steps to address staffing and capacity constraints in affected markets so that we can better capitalize on those opportunities over time. We remain confident in the underlying demand and growth potential of these services. We are focused on controlling what we can control and are taking concrete steps to optimize our approach with respect to digital customer acquisition. Our plan is centered around three priorities.

First, we're ensuring our brands show up where customers are looking. This starts with evaluating how our brands have surfaced across traditional and LLM-driven search and identifying opportunities to strengthen our presence by market and service category. strengthening our visibility across traditional search and AI-driven discovery by expanding locally relevant content, improving local business listings and customer reviews, and strengthening our presence in the sources LOM platforms use to generate recommendations.

This targeted, data-driven approach enables us to translate the strength of our national brands into greater local visibility, more qualified leads, and ultimately new customers.

Second, we're making it easier for customers to understand what differentiates us and ultimately choose our brands. We're improving local content, increasing pricing transparency, and more clearly highlighting the service attributes that make Rollins' brand stand out, including same-day and next-day availability and the quality of our customer service. We're also working to ensure customers receive accurate, relevant information about our services whenever and wherever they are searching. And third, we are continuously testing, learning, and reallocating resources accordingly. We are improving lead attribution, testing different approaches, and shifting investment toward the channel and tactics that generate qualified leads, convert them into new customers, deliver the strongest returns. Importantly, this is not simply about spending more, but continuously evaluating where our marketing dollars generate the strongest returns and investing behind those opportunities.

For example, we've begun taking advantage of new paid advertising opportunities on AI search platforms, including ChatGPT and Google Gemini, to improve our visibility. In this highly dynamic environment, our ability to be nimble and shift resources to keep pace with change is an important source of strength. We believe the companies that will be most successful in this changing environment are those with the resources, expertise, and organizational agility to continuously test, learn, and adapt as these technologies evolve. This is not about finding a single solution and moving on. It requires ongoing optimization, and our scale, diversified portfolio, and financial flexibility position us particularly well to navigate these changes over time. At the same time, we are always focused on providing exceptional service to our existing customers and maintaining the strong relationships that underpin our recurring business.

We are seeing some early but encouraging signs of progress from our efforts as we close the quarter. That said, we have not reached stabilization, and there's more work ahead to translate improving search visibility into new customers and sustained growth. We recognize that the customer discovery landscape may be changing structurally, and we are not assuming a return to historical patterns. We're moving quickly to adapt, and our resources, scale, and flexibility will give us multiple ways to respond as the environment evolves.

Our long-term confidence in Rollins has not changed. Our highly recurring business model, strong customer relationships, diversified portfolio, an experienced and committed team position us well to navigate evolving market conditions and drive long-term success. We've faced challenges before, and our team has consistently demonstrated the ability to adapt, execute, and emerge stronger. I have every confidence in our ability to rise to this challenge as well.

I'd like to thank our 20,000-plus teammates around the world for their hard work and dedication to serving our customers every day. I'll now turn the call over to Will.

Thanks, Jerry, and good morning, everyone. I'll walk through our third quarter financial results and discuss the key drivers of performance, along with our priorities for improvement. Total revenue increased 6.2%, including organic growth of 4.4%, which was below our expectations for the quarter. As Jerry discussed, continued pressure on residential customer acquisition was the primary challenge during the quarter. We also experienced softer performance in portions of our termite and ancillary businesses, as well as our commercial business.

Performance was affected by fewer new residential customers entering the cross-sell pipeline, along with staffing and capacity constraints in certain markets that limited conversion of available demand. In the third quarter, residential revenues increased 4.9 percent. Commercial pest control increased 7.7 percent, and termite and ancillary increased 6.5 percent. Organic growth across the portfolio is 2.3% in residential, 6.6% in commercial, and 5.3% in termite and ancillary.

Turning to profitability, we continue to focus on managing factors within our control, taking steps to align our cost structure with current demand while continuing to invest in the people and capabilities that support service quality and long-term growth. In an environment where customer acquisition trends remain dynamic, maintaining an appropriately aligned cost structure is particularly important. We are focused not only on restoring stronger organic growth, but also on ensuring that our operating expenses reflect current business volumes, allowing us to protect profitability while preserving the flexibility to invest over the long term.

Gross margin was 53.5%, a decrease of 90 basis points year over year, primarily reflecting higher insurance and claims costs, as well as fuel-related headwinds. Following the lower volumes in the second quarter, we took proactive steps to better align staffing with demand, resulting in a 30 basis point year over year improvement in employee expenses. Materials and supplies contributed an additional 10 basis points of leverage. Insurance and claims costs drove 100 basis points of deleverage, primarily reflecting higher claims costs against a favorable prior year comparison.

And fleet costs represented 40 basis points of headwind, driven primarily by fuel and lower gains on vehicles. Fuel costs represented approximately 1.9% of sales in the third quarter, and we continue to expect fuel costs to remain below 2% of sales for 2026. Customer response to our recent price increase has been favorable, and we expect to be positive on price cost for the year.

Quarterly SG&A costs as a percentage of revenue increased 60 basis points compared with the prior year, as higher insurance and fuel costs were partially offset by our continued focus on cost management and improvements in employee expenses. We saw 10 basis points of leverage in selling and marketing expenses, and administrative employee expenses also improved by 10 basis points.

Insurance and claim costs represented a 60 basis point headwind, primarily reflecting higher claims expenses against a favorable prior year comparison, while higher fleet costs contributed an additional 20 basis points. Third quarter GAAP operating income was $223 million, a decrease of 1% year over year. Adjusted operating income was $231 million, a decrease of 0.6% compared with the prior year.

Third quarter adjusted EBITDA was $257 million, a decrease of 0.7% versus last year, representing a margin of 23.5%. Our adjusted incremental EBITDA margin was negative 2.8%, normalizing for the benefit we saw in insurance and claims in the third quarter of last year and the unfavorable impact this quarter, the company's incremental margin would have exceeded 25%. The effective tax rate was 25.7% in the quarter, compared with 24.8% last year.

Despite the slight increase in the quarter, we continue to expect our full-year ETR to come in under 25% for the year, down approximately 100 basis points from historical levels. quarterly gap net income was $158 million or 33 cents per share for the third quarter we had non-gap pre-tax adjustments associated with acquisition related costs and other items totaling approximately 7.3 million of pre-tax expenses in the quarter accounting for these expenses adjusted net income for the quarter was a hundred and sixty three million dollars or 34 cents per share, a decrease of 2.9% from the same period a year ago.

Turning to cash flow in the balance sheet, we generated operating cash flow of $242 million and free cash flow of $235 million. Cash flow performance during the quarter did benefit from the receipt of a $63 million tax refund that is associated with our tax credit planning strategy, which continues to provide meaningful cash flow and tax rate benefits. Free cash flow conversion measured as the percentage of income converted into cash flow was 149% for the quarter. Excluding the $63 million tax benefit during the quarter, free cash flow conversion would have been 109%. This reflects our strength in cash generation and gives us flexibility to continue investing in the business while returning capital to shareholders. During the third quarter we completed seven acquisitions totaling million paid million in dividends and repurchased million of shares Our financial flexibility and conviction in the intrinsic value of our business supported more meaningful share repurchase activity in the quarter and we will continue to evaluate future share repurchases given the health of our balance sheet.

Our leverage ratios stand at one times, and our balance sheet remains strong. Our capital allocation priorities are clear. investing in the business through Accredive M&A, continuing to grow our dividend, and opportunistically repurchasing shares. Earlier this week, we announced another 10% increase in our quarterly cash dividend. With this increase, we have doubled our regular dividend since the beginning of 2022.

Our healthy balance sheet provides us the flexibility to pursue all these priorities when appropriate, while also investing in organic growth opportunities. We are approaching the balance of the year with discipline, transparency, and a clear focus on the actions that will improve performance. Given our performance through the first nine months of the year and the visibility we have today, we are updating our full year outlook. We now expect organic growth of 4 to 6 percent for the year, and corresponding incremental margins ranging from slightly positive to 10 percent for 2026.

This is a highly dynamic environment, and this updated organic growth range reflects that. We want to be as clear as possible with you while being mindful about how the environment could evolve. When we provided our 6% organic growth outlook in Q2, we assumed residential lead declines would remain broadly consistent with the levels we were experiencing at that time, with neither meaningful improvement nor further deterioration.

Instead, volatility persisted throughout Q3, and lead volumes weakened further from Q2 levels. As a result, our updated guidance reflects a range of outcomes based on how lead trends could evolve for the remainder of the year. The midpoint of approximately 5% growth assumes lead volumes remain below the prior year but stabilize at Q3 levels, while the low end of 4% assumes lead trends deteriorate further from Q3 levels, and the high end of 6% assumes lead volumes meaningfully improve from Q3 levels.

We also recognize that we are entering a seasonally lower volume period, particularly in November and December, when our short-cycle residential business can be more sensitive to changes in demand and weather-related disruptions. Our updated range is intended to reflect that uncertainty and provide a transparent view of the range of potential outcomes based on the trends we are seeing today. Our expectation for 2% to 3% of growth from acquisitions, as well as our expectation that cash flow will continue to convert at a rate above 100%, remain unchanged for the year.

Given the current landscape, we are going to hold off on sharing any thinking on 2027. We are currently focused on taking concrete steps to strengthen residential customer acquisition, and we will discuss 2027 when we release our Q4 and full year results. Importantly, the revision to our 2026 expectations reflects our current assessment of near-term operating conditions rather than any change in our confidence in the long-term growth potential of our business. Our immediate priority is taking the right steps to successfully navigate through this dynamic environment and establishing a more stable foundation for customer acquisition.

As we make progress towards that, we continue to believe the business has the potential to return to the organic growth algorithm of 7% to 8% as outlined at our investor day. In addition, we are confident in the operational opportunities that underpin our longer-term margin framework, and we believe the business has potential to achieve incremental margins in the 30% to 35% range over time.

We recognize that our results have fallen short of expectations, and we are taking steps to improve performance through disciplined execution and a focus on the factors within our control. As Jerry outlined, we have a clear path to strengthen residential customer acquisition centered on three priorities. One, making sure our brands show up where customers are looking. Two, making it easier for customers to choose Rollins' brands.

And three, determining what works and investing behind it. At the same time, we remain focused on improving productivity, aligning costs with current demand, and continuing to invest in our people and capabilities that support long-term growth. We remain confident in Rollins' long-term growth opportunity. Our scale, financial flexibility, and focus on disciplined execution position us well to adapt to changes in customer discovery while continuing to invest in the capabilities that support long-term growth. We believe the actions we are taking, together with the growth and productivity initiatives outlined at our May Investor Day, position us to deliver profitable growth and attractive shareholder returns that have been the hallmark of our financial performance for decades. I look forward to updating you on our progress and the quarters ahead.

And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Jerry.

Thank you, Will. We're happy to take any questions at this time. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we pull for questions.

Yeah, so thanks, Tim, for your question. So coming out of Q2 and early Q3, you know, we saw some signs of improvement. they really weren't as consistent as we would have liked. We had a lot of data in front of us in those early days, and we just have a much clearer view now. So as we think about that change from Q2 and Q3, you have an April that was a fairly normalized April in the quarter. Basically, a third of the second quarter was fairly normal. Then it began to deteriorate. The big difference was, for us, Q3 was consistently weak, steadily weak, even though once in a while we'd get some high spots, but the way you ended each month was pretty similar throughout the entire third quarter.

However, that said, we did see some signs of life, so to speak, when you look in September when we saw year-over-year decline in our organic website traffic had been 13% decline in August that moved to only a 4% decline in September and that as you know that organic website traffic is a great predictor or indicator of leads that can come into the business and and also we saw in September our organic search leads or in the organic channel improved five percent since July so we saw some of some of that in September as well however you know I want to caution you this is we've said this is dynamic and you know in the second quarter we we saw we saw positive signs of life and so that's where you know our outlook reflects that we don't know if the things that we saw in September, improvements that we saw, is that going to sustain us through the rest of the year?

So we're just really cautious in how we're speaking about this at this time.

So generally speaking, and I think this is where, you know, that question, we talk about it going to a wide variety of pest control companies. I wouldn't necessarily, our smaller, more localized brands didn't appear to be some major benefactor, just as they weren't necessarily hurt by these shifts as much as, say, an Orkin was. Because they go to market different and they acquire, they don't spend as much of their time and attention in the digital channel. So I would say, if anything, it was probably more of a neutral type of impact on our non-Orkin brands compared to anything else.

Good morning, Ronan.

Well, look, there's a lot of lead indicators that we can look at. There's many lead sources and many sources of driving the residential business. We'll continue to monitor those lead indicators to tell us where we should invest, where we should put our dollars. And as we begin to see the lag indicator, which would be actual lead volumes increasing as a result of those, that's when we'll know that things have adjusted and things are stabilizing. But let me go back and say that the world has completely changed in this space. This is going to be to say somehow that three months from now we think we've arrived. We have to adjust every single day going forward.

So some idea that we've somehow solved this problem six months from now and everything's back to normal, I don't want to give anybody the impression that that's exactly how this will shape out. It's just going to be a constant test, learn, adjust, going back and doing that over and over and over again and trying to be as nimble as we can as we go.

And, Jerry, I think the team that's got the most resources, has the most agility, is able to really win at the end of the day, and we're best prepared for that.

That's right.

We've done this before. Yeah.

Thanks, Ronan. I, you know, I'll just, let me reiterate a little bit about how we got to the four to six outlook range. And so, essentially, you know, remember that when we issued 6% back at the end of Q2, we said that we assumed that really we were not going to see further deterioration in the business or any improvement of the business. It was just going to stay steady. And so that's how we really got to the full year 6% number.

And then as we've gone through the quarter, the third quarter, we did see that continue to deteriorate. So our assumptions now, what's underlying that range, is that if things continue in the fourth quarter just as they did in the third quarter, we will be in the 5%, the midpoint of that range. If things meaningfully improve, we're going to, you know, we still, 6% is on the table. And if things deteriorate even further, that's when the 4% to 5% range comes into the mix.

So that's how the Q4 outlook is. And I'll tell you, that's where we're putting the most focus. We just want to make sure we finish this year strong. But it's really too early for us to talk about anything in 2027 until we see how we finish Q4.

And, Rona, coming back to your questions related to the customer base, 2027, how we start. as I mentioned, our customer base is growing. So across our organization in total, our customer base is growing. It's healthy.

And at the same time, we're working hard while all this is going on. We're also working hard at improving our customer retention. And we're beginning to make those improvements. We're seeing positivity there. I expect that to continue with the intense focus that we're putting on that, And that's another lever that we have to pull on that as well.

Thanks, Ronan.

These days and very quickly we were able to add pricing transparency that was not being picked up on the LLMs a few months ago that is being picked up today. So really quick, easy types of adjustments that you could make where working a few months ago wasn't even seen as being relevant, especially if someone was curious about price. And then what we learned is that when you don't talk about price and give some price ranges, people, the LLMs don't give you any credit, and they assume the worst, and they may go to other sources that aren't accurate about your price. So doing something as simple as that has made a big impact, and we were able to do that literally in weeks.

So that's an example of what we can do, but that's also constantly changing, constantly evolving, and that's, again, where test, learn, reallocate resources, adjust, test, learn, reallocate resources, adjust. That's just going to be the norm going forward.

Greg, from that perspective, it's really not about us spending more in our mind. It is truly about, you know, Jerry's just talking about testing different things. We are going to follow, you know, put our money where we see the greatest returns. And so it really is about reallocating based on where we see, you know, our returns improving. And so there's a lot of tests that we're doing. We are certainly, you know, not being shy about putting money where we need to, but I would not assume that we are going to spend more in this environment. It is truly just making sure that we're seeing where we're getting the greatest benefit.

Greg, importantly here, we have choices. We have a lot of choices we can make across our portfolio of brands. That's the advantage of our model. That's where our multi-brand approach, especially in residential, which is where a lot of our other brands are heavily engaged in the residential space, is really such an advantage for us. that's just a strong suit of ours.

could that I guess potentially turn negative and I guess what are you assuming in terms of kind of the ranges for commercial and termite and ancillary follow-up Curtis I would say from from all of our everything that we've done as we evaluated and we you know based our assumptions for that guide it was that things continue exactly as you see them in Q3 to get to that 5% growth rate so I you know I would just say if we continue in the same trajectory you're at 5% if If that goes down, you're going to be at 4%, and it's got to meaningfully improve to get to that 5% to 6% range. So that is how we built the guide, and that's really all I can tell you now.

Yeah, so certainly, as we mentioned, the slower residential customer volumes did reduce some of the opportunities to some degree. But some of the challenges there were really impacted more by staffing and capacity constraints in some markets where we had to get the work done. We exited the quarter with backlog that was at our high water mark for the year, which that's both good and bad.

So that tells us there's plenty of work to be done, but we just didn't get it all completed in the third quarter.

And some of that staffing capacity could be related to adjustments that we made in the business. It could also be just some markets are more challenged from a labor environment or various things happen, And that comes back to leadership and strong operational execution that we tend to be pretty strong in. But our struggle was really towards the end of the quarter. We had termite nancelar was really strong in the first part of Q3, and it was September that was really disappointing. Again, we have strong backlog there, and there's plenty of work for us to get done in the fourth quarter.

So I'm not overly concerned about that. We really remain quite confident in the underlying demand and the need for these services. Our customers see a great deal of value in it. We still see that there's meaningful opportunities to drive growth through that large customer base that we have.

Tomo, when we think about the price versus volume equation, what I would tell you is that we do continue to see ourselves as a CPI plus business. We're an essential business, and so that is going to be in the 2% to 3% range of – 3% to 4% range for pricing.

And that's the only thing I want to make sure that you have color there is that that is across the entire portfolio. We talk about that three to four of pricing that's across the full portfolio that is more heavily weighted towards commercial than residential, so it doesn't apply evenly across everything. But we do still see that being, you know, kind of where we will play in this space. And so, and we don't see any indications that that is creating trouble. I mean, we are regularly evaluating our pricing. We meet, we just met two weeks ago, actually, about this topic. And so we don't see any meaningful change in the number of customers that are either trying to roll their prices back, that are canceling with us.

So we feel like we still have room to go there. And then your second question, I feel like there was – was there another part to your question, Tomo?

Yeah, that's where I think you have to be careful in this space because you cannot stop spending on your brand and your brand messaging and who you are and what you're all about. So, you know, this idea that we should just stop spending and building our brand and the reputation and the mind of a consumer is really the best thing that we – instead of going to an LLM and asking about pest control, we want you to type in Orkin. com.

And we want you to just think Orkin or one of our brands as a top of mind investment. And so we have to continue to send the messaging on our website and all of our content about the value of our service and ensure that our service quality is strong and the value proposition and the things that our customers are asking about when they are in the LLMs, that content is there on our website, that they can see the clear value in using us compared to anyone else.

Thanks, Jamal.

No, that is a, I think we've talked about this in the past to some degree, that has been pretty much a non-issue across our industry, in fact. If you look back at the details of that, we had some pieces and parts of our business that are non-solicit agreements that are designed to discourage people from taking customers or recruiting our people were extended into non-competes. And all we did was roll those non-competes back in the parts of our business that still had those in there. at the end of the day these were these were agreements that were never enforced or very rarely enforced to begin with so it was really a non-event in our business so we have had if you think about the fact that there are 19,000 estimated 19,000 pest control companies and the people I know in the industry had started it usually the family tree goes somewhere back to Orkin or Terminex or somewhere back in the day, there's a reason for that.

It's because people have freely moved for many, many years between and amongst companies. So we don't really see that as any sort of a change in the environment at all.

When we think about the consumer health, I think what we're really saying is we're an essential service. If you have a problem, you're going to want to solve it. I think from a consumer standpoint, the consumer is trying to make sure that if they are going to spend their money, they're getting the value and they're choosing the right provider.

And that goes back to, I think, Tomo's question about ensuring that price and value, responsiveness and reliability, all those factors that drive value are more important. So, you know, there's lots of data out there about the consumer, and it certainly is something that we've dug into. I just think at this point in time, we have a more discerning consumer, but we certainly have a consumer that is willing to spend the money on pest control services.

initially beginning to appear better was some easy steps like the one the example I gave you early on pricing transparency helped tremendously when we start talking about service offerings and our ability to respond and offering same day next day service windows and how we communicate Things that we've always done, we've just never put it in words, and it's not been key in our messaging.

But those types of things that talk about the value, that talk about how we can quickly fulfill customer needs, seem to get picked up a lot faster and a lot easier. And then you think about local content. We have, while we're a national company, We have national locations. We have local people that understand local needs. And taking that information in, I give you a great example. Here in Atlanta, there's this spider called the Joro spider.

And if you're talking about the Joro spider in the local content, and it's hot on people's minds here, those are the kind. And if your branches here say at work in the Atlanta area have local content about the Joro spider that going to get picked up So those are the types of things that we focused on that we find to be getting the bigger return on investment and they quick wins Jerry, one of the other things that we've actually seen here recently is you see chat GPT, you see Google, they're starting to run pilots where they're allowing, you know, kind of the monetization of that platform where you can start to put some ads. And so we're starting to play in that space as well.

It's early. We'll see what's going to happen as we go through the quarter, but at least we're starting to see that they're playing in that space.

Yeah, the Yelp model for reviews is a very different model of what they allow and how that works compared to, say, Google reviews, where we have a very strong, a much stronger presence.

So, yeah, that's one of the areas that you have to, again, test, learn, decide whether or not and how much to reallocate resources to try to drive meaningful, can you drive meaningful impact on that? We're acutely aware of that, but that is also something that will take a lot more time to be able to effectively impact. So you have to weigh those investments and say, hey, within, yeah, Yelp is weighted, but so are these other things within ChatGBT. How do I position this better on these other things that are also going to get us more visibility there that I might be able to move faster?

And so those are all the things that we're weighing and trying to make better decisions on.

Thanks.

So our termite ancillary business as well as our commercial business is not heavily lead-driven in terms of digital lead-driven. They get calls because that's, again, where the brand comes into top of mind and say the Orkin brand and commercial people are just going to call Orkin. and that is a very organic type of lead gen. And so we're not very reliant on digital customer acquisition, digital marketing, spend type of efforts in that space at all.

George, that's a good question. Our view is that we can absolutely get back to 7% to 8%. We don't know when that's going to happen. We've got to see this through. But certainly, we're able to get back there. And what we're focused on mostly now is how do you make sure that every one of those leads we do get, that we convert it, and that it turns into a sale.

So there are a lot of things that we're able to do to affect that 7% to 8%. There are levers we can pull, and so there's no reason to think that the long-term guidance would, you know, that we need to come off of that.

Generally speaking, I think for us to get to the 7% to 8% range, we are going to need to have residential healthy, commercial healthy, and termite ancillary healthy. And I think there's some different algorithms within there how you get there. I think we have to do better on residential, obviously. But, again, that goes back to the multi-brand strategy, where we invest, the decisions that we have to make, moving resources around to get us back there. So, it certainly, as Will said, it's possible, but I believe we really got to be executing on all those cylinders.

Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. We are perhaps more disciplined than that. If I knew that I could invest rapidly in the marketing and I could accurately predict what return I would get on that in this dynamic environment where I don't know what a dollar spend would necessarily yield, I could do that, but I would also probably be spending a lot of money irresponsibly.

And so we have leaned towards let's protect our margin, let's right-size our business, let's do the right things, and let's learn, test, be responsible about our decisions, and adjust as we go because, you know, we got some sort of a sugar high off of just going in and spending marketing dollars. You can do that, but that doesn't necessarily – it's not necessarily sustainable, and it could potentially change your business model and your disciplines that you bring to the business. It's just fundamentally not how we approach the business. but it's hard to underestimate how dynamic this environment is right now. And so it keeps changing. I mean, we talked about the fact that we've gone to external parties to help us through this from the marketing perspective, and they don't even necessarily always agree.

Nobody has a silver bullet. So it's, you know, how much would you spend on, you know, in this current environment? We don't know if that's some infinite number.

That's right.

And the other side of it is just spending marketing dollars doesn't necessarily create demand where demand isn't there. So you have to know the limit to which you'd be willing to go. So, you know, our focus has been on making sure we right-size our business. In my mind, those are actually tougher decisions than just going and spending more in marketing. We have hard choices that we have to make about how we structure our business, and I'm really proud of our team for what they've done in that regard.

Stephanie, we've got a great pipeline of M&A opportunities that are still out there. It does not change what we see and value as a good business that we want to go and purchase. We're going to continue to look for opportunities where it's accretive. Businesses are, quite frankly, better than ours, and that's what helps us continue to grow organically longer term. And so this does not – we've been in the door-to-door space. We've been in the traditional space. It doesn't change our philosophy. We're interested in lots of businesses that can help and be accretive to our growth, and we'll continue to take a balanced approach there. I still think this right now is hopefully a short-term dislocation, and we'll see how this pans out over time.

But we'll continue to be disciplined in our acquisition and look for businesses that are a good fit for us and bring a right balance to us.

Thanks, Stephanie.

We've not seen any sign of weakness in those spaces. They have just gone gangbusters. So double-digit growth at Fox. So that continues to be a great business growing. it's very helpful to our overall growth profile in the residential space. So we've not seen any real softness there at all.

Yeah, so the softness in the commercial side was really driven by some timing related to fumigation services at non-Organ brands. So as we go through, as you go through the quarter, there's in the commercial space, there's a lot of, there's a decent amount of commodity fumigation that goes on that can be cyclical, timing around holidays, things along those lines. that just gets kind of dislocated from time to time. The good news in that is Orkin's commercial business, their core, still grew over 8%, very reflective of the investment that we made there and expanding on the commercial side. Not something I'm very concerned about.

Josh, this is Jerry, and I heard you're at Pets World, and I hope you're having a good time there with all of our friends. You're meeting some great people while you're there, aren't you?

Yes. Yeah. So, when we look at the organic growth in one time, I would categorize those as being down very equal proportions. Very, very similar. But the recurring portion was actually better. So we are still in line with what we have seen historically from a recurring perspective.

I think we have a strong handle on some of the basics and some of the most fundamentals that we've been able to execute on. What's interesting in this space is you can ask five different experts and get five different answers. And so that's, again, what gives us that lack of clarity. You say, where do you invest, which is why, again, it sounds like a broken record when I say test, learn, reallocate resources, adjust. That is what we're going to have to do. And so we're doing a lot of that with different agencies and specialists that are helping us navigate that.

So, again, that's why we describe this as this dynamic environment. And we don't know that the things we fixed today are also going to be the right things that are most important three months from now. Right? So that's when I say this world has changed probably forever in this space. It's so important. And we're just going to have to continue to test, learn, reallocate resources.

But I don't think we'll ever be able to say we're done and we've arrived.

Well, I appreciate it.

Thanks, Josh.

Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We look forward to speaking with you again in our Q4 earnings call in February.