Summary
Management framed growth as increasingly driven by renewables and decarbonization while thermal parts demand and energy-security needs remain supportive.
- 46%46% booking growth and a $7.5B opportunity pipeline supported confidence, though several announced projects remained outside backlog.
- ClimateBright projects are advancing, but BrightLoop scale-up testing and customer project timing remain important milestones.
- Management reiterated 2022 EBITDA targets while describing supply-chain and geopolitical uncertainty as ongoing constraints.
Guidance
- $110M2022 adjusted EBITDA target $110 million to $120 million
- BrightLoop scale-up demonstration 21 times previous testing scale
- BrightLoop hydrogen production ambitions 250, 300 tons per day
What analysts pressed on
- 01ClimateBright project economics: typical projects may contribute $35 million to $50 million, with larger projects reaching several hundred million.
- 02Unbooked announced projects: management estimated several hundred million dollars or greater potentially entering backlog over six to nine months.
- 03Quarterly EBITDA cadence: management declined detailed quarterly estimates, describing Q4 as probably more than double Q1.
- 04Solar pipeline: management cited strong community and utility-scale activity but gave no 2023 shadow-backlog figure.
- 05Europe energy-security demand: management saw waste-to-energy and renewable interest but said coal recommissioning impact was too early to quantify.
- 06BrightLoop gating factors: management identified testing iron-ore particle wear and cycle times during 21-times scale-up; broader project economics remained unquantified.
Notable disclosures
- $35M$35 million to $50 million was management’s typical revenue range for prospective BrightLoop projects.
- Several hundred million dollars or greater of announced projects could enter backlog over six to nine months.
- BrightLoop’s next demonstration will test scale-up at 21 times prior testing, focusing on particle wear and cycle times.
- Management said the Fidelis biomass project was progressing but was not yet included in backlog.
Risks raised
- Supply-chain disruption, Ukraine-related uncertainty and lingering COVID effects continued to threaten project timing and parts delivery.
- BrightLoop commercial guarantees depend partly on verifying iron-ore particle durability during scale-up testing.
- Customer and EPC construction delays could defer B&W project work despite contract protections.
- European coal recommissioning opportunities remained uncertain and were not expected to have a material impact yet.
Tone: Positive 0.62
Management was confident in booking momentum and strategic growth, tempered by project delays, geopolitical uncertainty, and technology scale-up risks.
Who spoke
Company
- Sharon BrooksDirector of Communications
- Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
- Lou SalamoneChief Financial Officer
Analysts
- Rob BrownAnalyst, Lake Street Capital
- Alex RegalAnalyst, B. Riley
- Aaron SpichelloAnalyst, Craig-Hallum
- Zane KarimiAnalyst, D.A. Davidson
Full transcript
Analyst questions are marked with a bar. Timestamps are into the recording.
Prepared remarks
Good afternoon. Thank you for attending the Babcock & Wilcox second quarter 2022 earnings call. My name is Matt and I will be your moderator for today's call. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. I would now like to pass the conference over to our host Sharon Brooks with Babcock & Wilcox. Sharon, please go ahead.
Sharon BrooksDirector of Communications
Thank you, Matt, and thanks everyone for joining us on Babcock & Wilcox Enterprises' second quarter 2022 earnings conference call. I'm Sharon Brooks, Director of Communications. Joining the call today are Kenny Young, B&W's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Lou Salamone, Chief Financial Officer, to discuss our second quarter results. During this call, certain statements we make will be forward-looking. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, including those set forth in our safe harbor provision for forward-looking statements that can be found at the end of our earnings press release, and also in our Form 10-Q that will be filed today, and our Form 10-K that is on file with the SEC, and provide further detail about the risks related to our business.
Additionally, except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. We also provide non-GAAP information regarding certain of our historical and targeted results to supplement the results provided in accordance with GAAP. This information should not be considered superior to, or as a substitute for, the comparable GAAP measures. A reconciliation of historical non-GAAP measures can be found in our second quarter earnings release published this afternoon and in our company overview presentation that will be filed on Form 8K this afternoon and posted on the Investor Relations section of our website at babcock. com. I will now turn the call over to Kenny.
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Thank you, Sharon, and thanks to everyone for joining us this afternoon. Our second quarter results highlight another exciting step for the company as we continue to support our customers' energy transformation, as well as continued support for thermal baseload generation. We are now seen by our customers and potential customers as a technological leader and innovator in energy transition. With the combined efforts of our worldwide employees and our senior leadership team, we continued to progress against our long-term strategic growth strategy during the second quarter. While our revenues improved 9%, our adjusted EBITDA increased by 35%, and our bookings and backlog improved by 46% as compared to the second quarter of 2021. Our net income was lower due to negative effects from foreign exchange rates and the shareholder litigation settlement, but overall, we are using the strength of our balance sheet, using cash to accelerate growth in our renewable segments, as well as increasing inventory for our thermal segment to leverage our competitive advantage in our parts and services business.
These accomplishments in the second quarter, combined with our recent and anticipated bookings, position us well for a strong 2022, 2023, and beyond. The war in Ukraine, lingering COVID-19 effects, and global supply chain disruption present ongoing challenges to our project timing and parts deliberately, similar to many other companies around the world. However, we continue to work to mitigate these challenges the best we can by leveraging our established global resources with respect to raw materials and other items that are delayed from time to time, and we may continue to experience impacts as these global conditions progress. Longer term, however, we recognize potential tailwind opportunities for our business segments as demand for energy security and alternatives to natural gas continue to emerge.
Our recent bookings and backlogs put us in position to meet our adjusted EBITDA targets for the year and show continued year-over-year growth, though we remain cognizant of the macroeconomic headwinds and uncertainty given various geopolitical issues. As a global technology leader and a solutions provider, we keenly focused on expanding our operations both internationally and domestically, As well as developing current and new customer relationships to uniquely position the company to support the world's clean energy transition and drive innovation forward. We are well positioned to meet the projected demand for global green initiatives with our full suite of proven technologies. And Babcock & Wilcox will emerge as a driving force into creating a more sustainable future. While we continue to support our strong industrial and utility customers utilizing our thermal technologies for basal generation and energy security, we are also focused on emerging markets within the clean energy space.
And I want to recognize the tremendous strides we have made as a company within our environmental and renewable energy business through the recent contract awards that have been announced, as well as our continuing efforts in evolving Climate Bright decarbonization platform and the scale-up of our BrightLoop decarbonization, hydrogen, and thin gas production technologies. We will elaborate a bit more on the progress we have made within these areas today, but it is important to emphasize the exceptional tailwinds we have identified within these evolving technologies. As evidenced by our increased bookings and backlog, we remain intently focused on continuing to convert our global pipeline of identified project opportunities to bookings as reflected in the 46% improvement over the same quarter a year ago.
While the pandemic and global supply chain challenges have continued to cause delays for some project bookings or pushback start dates of certain projects, bookings for the quarter remain very strong at 245 million, increasing 46% compared to the same quarter a year ago, with a significant portion derived from the increased volumes within our renewable business segment. The backlog at the end of the quarter was $731 million, and a robust pipeline of more than $7.5 billion of identified global project opportunities in the next three years positions us well for multi-year growth, and we are preparing to capitalize on the positive impacts across our customer base as demand for our long-term energy security and decarbonization technology grows. Pivoting to our ClimateBright decarbonization platform, we are excited to report that our partnership with Kiewit Industrial to support the Fidelis New Energy's planned 200-megawatt net-negative carbon impact biomass power plant in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, is currently progressing.
Fidelis recently announced the start of construction for the Grown Fuels Complex at this same site, which will be using B&W's biomass and BrightLoop technologies, and will create the largest biomass or largest net-negative CO2 biomass to energy facility. The company will provide a B&W Biomass Boiler, our proprietary OxyBright OxyCombustion Carbon Capture Technology, which uses pure oxygen for combustion and can be used with a wide range of fuels to produce a concentrated stream of CO2, which can then be sequestered underground or put to other beneficial use. We are also providing a full suite of environmental systems to control emissions. Although we have not recognized this project within our backlog, we anticipate final booking this year. Our partnership with Fidelis New Energy is a meaningful indication of the company's progress with respect to our clean energy initiatives, and we look forward to the addition of similar projects within our portfolio where our advanced technologies enable the transition to responsible Thank you.
The B&W will supply its Bright-Loop technology to produce hydrogen and isolate carbon dioxide for storage and supply a steam generator utilizing the company's Bright-Gen hydrogen combustion technology. to produce clean near-zero emissions energy. Babcock & Wilcox Construction Company LLC will also provide the construction and installation services. And when complete, the H2 Trillium Energy and Manufacturing Complex will operate as an integrated energy decarbonization hydrogen and closed-loop manufacturing facility, generating clean hydrogen and capturing carbon dioxide for long-term storage and or beneficial use. I would also like to highlight the solar installation contracts for the community solar projects that were announced last week. These contracts, which total more than $20 million, were awarded by Summit Ridge Energy to provide services for several community solar projects.
When complete, the seven solar farms will provide approximately 20 megawatts of power for homes and businesses in northern and central Illinois. Engineering for the projects is currently underway and completion of the installation is scheduled for the first quarter of 2023 These are in addition to our recently announced 240 megawatt utility projects in western Ohio. These contract awards speak to the growing demand for solar energy domestically and B&W is well positioned to provide world-class solar installation services for both community solar and utility scale projects.
Moving to our segment performance, We have seen exceptional growth within our B&W Renewables segment with second quarter revenues of $75.2 million, an increase of 96% as compared to the second quarter of 2021, and representing the continued demand for our solar installations, waste-to-energy, biomass-to-energy products, and other services within this segment. We are also seeing significant growth within our B&W environmental segment with our disclosed contracts to install a biomass-fired boiler and other combustion equipment for a green energy project in Europe and the supply of advanced environmental equipment for a power plant in Africa. In tandem with this point, we are very pleased to have established senior leadership over our global thermal segment and our global renewable and environmental segment.
Chris Riker will be named Senior Vice President Thermal and will lead our global thermal business, while Joe Buckler has been named Senior Vice President of Clean Energy, and he will lead our renewable and environmental segments. Both will report to Jimmy Morgan, our Chief Operating Officer. The continued growth of our business makes it timely to put these changes into place to provide specific focus over these segments from a market-facing and P&L perspective and to further unlock shareholder value in maximizing our long-term strategic growth plans. Additionally, Brandi Johnson has been named Chief Strategy and Technology Officer, and within this role, Brandi will report to me and spearhead the research and development, demonstration, and commercial implementation for our mature and emerging technologies.
We look forward to the leadership changes for Chris, Joe, and Brandy, which will further enhance our ability to react strongly and quickly to market changes and streamline efforts in developing and implementing our new technologies in parallel with addressing the needs of our thermal customers. I'll now turn the call over to Lou, who will discuss the financial details for the second quarter of 2022. Lou?
Lou SalamoneChief Financial Officer
Thanks, Kenny. I'm really pleased to review our second quarter results, further details which can be found in the 10Q that will be on file with the SEC. Second quarter consolidated revenues were $221 million, which is a 9% improvement compared to the second quarter of 2021. This is primarily driven by higher volume, driven by new build projects, and the impact of acquisitions completed in the first quarter of 2022. In addition to a higher level of volume in the renewable segment and partially offset by a lower level of construction activity in the thermal segment. Our net operating income for the second quarter of 2022 was $3.7 million as compared to operating income of $2.8 million in the second quarter of 2021.
Our adjusted EBITDA was $20.6 million as compared to $15.2 million in the second quarter of 2021. While bookings in the second quarter of 2022 were $245 million, which is an increase of 46% compared to the second quarter bookings of 2021. Our ending backlog was $731 million, which is a 46% increase compared to the backlog at the end of the second quarter of 2021.
I'll now turn to our second quarter segment results. Within our Babcock & Wilcox Renewable segment, revenues are $75.2 million for the second quarter of 2022. This, as Kenny had mentioned, is a 96% increase compared to the $38.3 million in the second quarter of 2021. The increase in revenue was primarily driven by higher volume of new build projects, as well as the acquisition and continued growth of the fossil construction and our VOTA acquisition.
Adjusted EBITDA in the quarter was $8.9 million, as compared to $3.4 million in the second quarter of 2021. And this is primarily due to higher revenue volume on new build projects. And as discussed, a $7 million gain on the sale of some development rights of a future solar project that was sold during the year. Within the Babcock's environmental segment, revenues were $31.6 million in the second quarter of 2022, which is an increase of 11% as compared to $28.4 million in the second quarter of 2021. The increase is primarily driven by an emissions control technologies contract for an industrial facility, and the adjusted EBITDA was $600,000 in the quarter as compared to $2.7 million in the same period last year.
And this lower profitability was primarily due to lower volume in the park sales as the utilities continue to operate at full cycle rather than go into maintenance mode, which was anticipated. We expect that to turn around as the facilities will start doing some maintenance as they slow up a little bit with the demand for energy.
Turning to our Babcock & Wilcox thermal segment, revenues were $116.3 million in the second quarter of 2022, which is a decrease of 15% compared to $136 million in the second quarter of 2021. This is primarily due to the completion of a very large construction project during Q2 2021, and is offset partially by the acquisitions. Adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter of 2022 was $16.4 million, which is an increase of 30% compared to $12.6 million in the second quarter of 2021.
And this is primarily due to a mix of projects with part sales outweighing the construction sales. I'll now turn over to our balance sheet, cash flow and liquidity. Our total debt at June 30, 2022 was $334 million, and the company had cash and cash equivalents and restricted cash of $80.2 million.
Finally, based on our strong bookings and backlog in the second quarter, we're reiterating our 2022 target of $110 million to $120 million in adjusted EBITDA. I'll now turn the call back to Kenny.
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Thanks, Lou. There we go. Off mute. Thanks, Lou. In closing, Babcock & Wilcox continues to successfully build upon a significant transformation over the last couple of years. We now have a strong balance sheet, expanding opportunities across all of our business segments and a robust pipeline of more than $7.5 billion of identified global opportunities over the next three years. We are extremely excited about the prospects for the business, and based on our recent bookings and existing backlog, we remain well positioned for our milestone of 2022, 2023, and beyond. Our team of dedicated employees remains one of the most driving forces behind our success as a company, and collectively, their continued focus on safety, strong project execution, expansion of our bookings and backlog, and commitment to helping us become leaders in the global clean energy transition are unmatched across the industry.
Looking ahead, B&W remains in a growth mode, and we continue to pursue our ongoing strategic initiatives, including the evaluation of additional acquisition opportunities for both mature and emerging technologies, investments in new clean energy projects, and the conversion of our significant global pipeline of identified projects into bookings. And lastly, I'd like to touch on an issue that we have previously highlighted and one that is extremely important to our mission as a company. We continue to see B&W on the forefront of the global fight against climate change, and as stated, we expect 2022 to be a milestone year driven by significant advancements within our climate-bright decarbonization and hydrogen solution platform. We remain excited about the opportunities ahead in this area and about being an innovative leader in carbon capture, decarbonization, and hydrogen production, and we continue to build on our advanced technologies to meet the growing demand of our customer base for a long-term energy security and decarbonization strategy.
I will now turn the call back over to Matt, who will assist in taking a few questions. Matt?
Questions and answers
Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If for any reason you would like to remove that question, please press star followed by two. Again, to ask a question, press star one. As a reminder, if you're using a speakerphone, please remember to pick up your handset before asking your question. We will pause here briefly as questions are registered. The first question is from the line of Rob Brown with Lake Street Capital. Your line is now open.
Rob BrownAnalyst, Lake Street Capital
Good afternoon. Hey, Rob. First question is really on the pipeline of the Climate Bright. You've got a couple of nice projects started here. How is that pipeline looking, and could you give sort of a range of sort of kind of a project level revenue for one of those type of projects?
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Sure The pipeline is growing It has been very exciting to see the response in the marketplace from our customers on the technology itself and the general feedback has been extremely strong We hopeful to put out publicly a few engineering reviews and others that we received from our customers once those are complete and that will solidify, I think, the strength of the technology overall, but we've been very pleased with momentum in the marketplace. You know, as we've talked about previously, the unique part about our BrightLoop technology in particular that we're excited about is that globally it increases, if you will, the addressable market for B&W as it relates to where we can position that technology. And what I mean by that, basically, is that, you know, that technology can be used in a wide variety of circumstances that B&W historically hasn't been able to participate before.
You know, such as even in the oil and gas industry and leveraging Petcoke, that was traditionally a waste product, now can be used in our Bradley system to create either heat for other industrial processes or hydrogen or other syngases can be utilized as well. So it opens the door up to a number of different areas. That's true in food and beverage and in other vertical markets as well, too, globally. So we're excited about moving that forward, improving that scalable technology, obviously, in the few places that we've just announced and look forward to furthering a number of other projects that we're in discussions with that are in our pipeline today. So we're seeing strong appeal and demand and growth opportunities there.
I think the other exciting part for us is we don't necessarily need to scale that technology up, although we can, to baseload generation. We could. Eventually, we'll get there, but there is a wide and big demand for a bright loop, if you will, even at 15 tons a day of hydrogen production, or what we're calling BLH15 or BLH25. We can clearly move and plan to move up to higher production environment, whether that's 250, 300 tons per day of hydrogen production is eventually where we want to get to. But there's a strong demand for us at the BLH-15 and BLH-25 levels, which, as we've always discussed in the past, reduces our overall exposure and risk and produces more smaller projects with quicker and better cash flow scenarios for the company with a reduced set of risks.
So we're excited to move that along. As far as the revenue, the typical revenue, depending on a wide range of factors, In and around that, the revenue for the company on the lower end will be $35 million to $50 million in technologies, depending on the structure and the environmentals and some other pluses and minuses involved in that. It could range on the high end to several hundred million, depending on the ultimate size we move into. But most of the ones that we're looking at today would be between the $35 million and $50 million on average. So you can think about it in those terms as we announce these.
Okay, Lou, anything you want to add to that?
Lou SalamoneChief Financial Officer
I think that covers it.
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Yep, no, thanks. I think you got it.
Thank you for your question. The next question is from the line of Alex Regal with B. Riley. Your line is now open.
Alex RegalAnalyst, B. Riley
Thank you. And kind of expanding upon that, you've got a number of sort of project announcements that haven't yet hit your backlog. Anyway, to kind of bracket sort of what that pending backlog number looks like, that could be additive over the next six months of projects that you've sort of announced already or signed some type of agreement with.
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Yeah, I think we may have mentioned it a little bit here and there in the past, Alex, but overall, I think if you've looked at the myriad of potential projects that we anticipate adding that we've announced publicly, you know, you could look at that in the several hundred million dollar range plus, but without breaking it down into specific projects, just for sensitivities as we continue to negotiate on the final configuration. But it's a few hundred million that's out there or greater that would be potentially added to the backlog over the next six to nine months.
Alex RegalAnalyst, B. Riley
Very helpful. And then, Kenny or Lou, maybe you could talk a little bit about the cadence of EBITDA, sort of in 3Q and 4Q, that is implied in your full-year guidance, understanding COVID and Ukraine delays and whatnot. I want to make sure we understand what the seasonality will look like this year.
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Yeah, with that, we're not going into too much.
Lou SalamoneChief Financial Officer
Go ahead, Luke.
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
No, no, no, go ahead, Luke.
Lou SalamoneChief Financial Officer
I was just going to say that the cadence is one that's been consistent throughout the years over the four quarters. Your first quarter is the lowest quarter. Second quarter grows in the 40% to 50% range. And then the third quarter begins to kick off as there's higher usage of outages and maintenance and part sales. And then the largest quarter, probably more than double what the first quarter would be, would be the fourth quarter. And the fourth quarter is a combination of finishing outages and then also a very heavy quarter for part sales as the utility business and so forth starts ramping up and purchasing for the following year and using up their budget. So the cadence is first quarter lower, second quarter 20%, 30% higher, third quarter 30% higher, et cetera, on end of the fourth quarter.
Alex RegalAnalyst, B. Riley
And then lastly, Kenny, the solar market this year was in somewhat of transition, but it seems to be there's much greater clarity today. I know through any earlier acquisitions, you sort of bought a shadow backlog of opportunities that was quite substantial. Can you comment on how you see that shadow backlog or pipeline developing in 2023?
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Yeah, we're heavily focused, Alex, I think, on building up the strength of B&W and the solar market, obviously continuing to do more of the community solar projects and the numbers. Again, going back to I think the smaller projects are nice because they reduce the overall risk profile of the company, but it gives us a lot of strength and credibility around that. At the same time, as I mentioned, I think in remarks here, as we put out a press release a few weeks ago, we're picking up some smaller utility-scale projects. Doing the services work on the 240 megawatt in western Ohio was a nice win for us and one that we'll realize, obviously, some impact this year.
But putting it on the books is important. It proves in our capabilities in and around both the strength of the community seller, which the company we acquired had been strong in, but now leveraging the strength of B&W and the positioning we have within the utility scale sector, I think in combining both of those puts us in a strong position going forward. Equally, as everyone on the call knows, obviously, the announcements by the White House and others to remove the impact of the tariffs on the solar panels has been a big help to really release, I think, a lot of investment dollars back into the U. S. again around solar, and I think we're in a good position there to leverage that.
But the pipeline is strong for us in both those sectors, and we'll continue to, you know, effectively operate towards increasing the size and scale, but we'll do it in a very healthy way that doesn't outpace our capabilities while we continue to grow that business.
Alex RegalAnalyst, B. Riley
Very helpful. Thank you.
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Yeah, thanks, Alex.
Thank you for your question. The next question is from the line of Aaron Spichello with Craig Hallam. Your line is now open.
Aaron SpichelloAnalyst, Craig-Hallum
Hi, Kenny. Hi, Lou. Thanks for taking the questions.
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Hey, Aaron. How are you?
Aaron SpichelloAnalyst, Craig-Hallum
Good.
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
You're welcome.
Aaron SpichelloAnalyst, Craig-Hallum
Doing good, thanks. First, in Europe, can you just kind of give us an update on how conversations are progressing there, given kind of Russia, Ukraine, and the NAC gas prices? What areas of interest are you seeing, whether waste of energy or others, and just how you're thinking orders develop here as we look into the back half of the year and into 2023?
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Yeah, I mean, I think it's driving several decisions over there that we're seeing, and, you know, it's in our pipeline now, but, you know, we anticipate making a few announcements here in the not-too-distant future. But I think we're seeing some increase in immediate response to demand on investment capital going into new waste-to-energy plants, newer technologies, looking at even the bright-loop aspect and perhaps accelerating a project tour here or there in Europe. But clearly, without question, every country is a little bit different in Europe as it relates to responding to that particular situation. But we are seeing, I think, across the board, most of the energy companies look towards other technologies to long-term remove themselves from the reliance of too much natural gas in the European aspect.
We are as we mentioned before I don hate to say it going to have a material impact on the business yet a little too early to tell but we are in conversations with a few as it relates to certain parts and services and other aspects on the recommissioning of some of the coal plants in Europe Not real positive those are going to 100% come across the board. We'll see how that progresses, you know, given time, but we're clearly in discussions with a few various companies, whether that be in Germany or in other parts, that are looking to recommission some coal as it relates to potentially resolving some security issues on the natural gas side or having some power demand and basal generation as they enter into the winter season and prepare for that.
So we'll see how that impacts us overall. I think it's just too early to state that there's going to be material value coming from that as it relates to us. But I think what we are seeing is a little bit of a driver on a few projects in the waste, energy, and renewable side in response to what's happening over there.
Aaron SpichelloAnalyst, Craig-Hallum
All right, thanks. And then maybe second, just revisiting Climate Pride a little bit, you know, can you talk about some of the gating factors on those projects moving forward? And then just a little bit on the Inflation Reduction Act. Obviously, hydrogen, carbon capture is a big part of that. Just, you know, how that might impact economics broadly for these projects as they look to move forward?
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Sure. Well, let me start with the latter first. So, we're obviously, like everyone else, piecing together the impact of that legislation that anticipate getting signed here into law, and have been in discussions with a few around some of the particulars around that. We've, as I think we've mentioned in the past publicly, have spent a great deal of time with the Department of Energy and also various federal and state-level organizations around trying to leverage a lot of the tax credits and initiatives coming from this. There is a desire, I think, within various groups in the federal government to look towards leveraging either natural gas or even some of the waste coal items that we've talked about in the past, inclusive of biomass and other materials, but in the hydrogen production and creation.
And we're directly involved in many of those conversations around some of the programs that have been outlined, not only in this Act, but some of the programs that have been outlined by the Department of Energy as well, too. And without getting into a lot of detail, we're obviously hopeful that we're participating in some of those, and without question, we'll be making announcements when and where appropriate in association with those. But we think the act will help drive some of the increased CO2 credits that are associated with that in conjunction with possibly some other funding that might come available in association with these in various states, and we're in keen talks, obviously, with those as we speak.
So, on the bright loop side, as far as the gating factors go, the big area for us right now will be proving in the scale-up aspect of that technology, you know, 21 times over where we have tested previously, which is pretty typical and normal within an evolution of technology. The biggest items we're going to be observing, obviously, is going to be the cycle time of the bright loop. It's a chemical looping process, as we've talked about, using a special iron ore particle that was jointly developed by us and Ohio State University. And we'll be looking to prove in the cycle times of those particular particles and to really ascertain the wear and tear of those particles within the 21 times scale up.
So that's probably the biggest gating factor. I think the rest of the technology from an output standpoint, we're very confident and comfortable with, but we'll need to verify the wear and tear on those iron ore particles as it relates to each of those cycle times. As we move into the next level of the platform where we move into providing, obviously, guarantees and other aspects around the wear and tear of those particles, that will be the biggest piece that we want to observe here on these next demonstrations that we're putting in place. So hopefully that helps, but that's where our focus is.
Aaron SpichelloAnalyst, Craig-Hallum
Noel, that does. That helps a lot. Thanks for taking the questions.
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
You're welcome.
Thank you for your question. The next question is from the line of Zane Karimi with EA Davidson. Your line is now open.
Zane KarimiAnalyst, D.A. Davidson
Hey, good afternoon, team, and thank you for taking my questions.
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Sure, Zane. How are you?
Zane KarimiAnalyst, D.A. Davidson
First off, hey, I'm doing well. Thank you. First off here, but how are you approaching new contracts, given the supply issues and the inflation seen across the market? And essentially, how are you How are you protecting yourself?
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Most of our contracts and projects, we have thousands, so it's not a perfect science across the board, but most of them we have provisions in the agreement that provide some protection against inflation on certain prices, materials, and other aspects around those. We also typically, our approach to these projects from a global supply chain perspective is we lock in the pricing for the key material pieces. Raw steel and other aspects that are included in the fabrication are typically locked in with our subcontractors prior to the project beginning as well. So that adds also a level of protection to the company that we're not subject to inflationary increases. On occasion, there are certain things that happen here or there that we've got to absorb, but those are typically minimal overall from that standpoint.
I think the biggest impact for us that we have to really monitor and keep an eye on on a project level as it relates to delays, not necessarily on our part on projects, But, you know, as our customers are building, especially some of the new waste energy and other new technology plants going in, as they're acquiring fabrication and other aspects from the EPC, sometimes those are delayed, which means our laydown area or our technology could be delayed, you know, by a few days, a few weeks or whatever. And those are items that we have to keep an eye on. And of course, we do the best we can to put in protection for those delays so it doesn't actually impact us from a cost standpoint.
But we do try to mitigate that on a global basis. Again, not a perfect science overall, but for the most part, we've got that as best we can under control.
And Lou, anything you want to add to that?
Lou SalamoneChief Financial Officer
Yeah, I think the other thing that we've done is we've purchased ahead on inventory where we know we're going to use it, so we're not subject to the volatility of the markets, and we have on-hand inventory that we can use to meet parts and other orders, and that also protects us from the rising prices because we bought the inventory earlier between December and now. So I think those two, what Kenny spoke about and what we've done to have an inventory that we can deliver quickly at lower prices and have supply availables helping us mitigate it. Not perfect, but we took steps to mitigate it early on as the pandemic hit and then the Ukraine situation hit.
Zane KarimiAnalyst, D.A. Davidson
Thank you for that. And my follow-up here would be, do you think we could see more of an uptick in thermal maintenance and aftermarket work in 3Q versus 4Q, essentially to get ahead of the winter months? Are schedules for that work pretty firm now?
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
The schedules are somewhat firm, but we do anticipate a pickup. We've actually seen an increase in bookings in the parts and services business as customers get ready for the fall outages and are trying to manage and schedule around those. As we've said prior, and it's still true, the coal plants in particular are still being used quite heavily, obviously around the world, but in lieu of natural gas because of the high cost and pricing of natural gas itself. And so we're still seeing our customers utilize those plants 24-7, obviously through the summer months as well, too. But we're seeing a lot of customers really gear up more towards certain outages in the fall, and in particular, probably different than the past.
You know, they're really ordering and booking ahead to try to be prepared for the fall outages, which is great for us from a booking standpoint, but we're obviously getting prepared for, you know, some of that revenue to bounce in as it relates to Q3 and Q4. So, we do anticipate an uptick, but that's within our plans, obviously, and as we, you know, stated before, it's within our target EBITDA that we're reinforcing here.
Zane KarimiAnalyst, D.A. Davidson
Thank you gentlemen.
Kenny YoungChief Executive Officer
Great. Matt, I'll turn it back over to you.
There are no additional questions waiting at this time, so I will ask the conference over to Sharon Brooks for any closing remarks.
Sharon BrooksDirector of Communications
Thank you for joining us. This concludes our conference call. A replay will be available for a limited time on our website later today.
Thank you everyone.
That concludes the conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.
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